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- BeadyEyedDouche

I don't know what that means. Sorry.

One of the problems JB had to deal with is that none of their prospects were ready. I get that you want to move on from these guys, but their replacements aren't ready, and you can't roll out that much youth at one time. Trades and UFA's alone can't fix this team.
- Lunaion

For the guy's who need to be moved by the deadline, why wait? If there are teams interested in our guys, begin making the moves. No one is going to over pay us for these guys. If GMJB has suitors why always wait until the last minute as if someone is going panic and offer more? That really doesn't happen. Waiting for a better deal is going to get us half of what Kane would have brought back 2 months ago.

Trading Gorges for a 5th sends the wrong message. You lose your dressing room by dumping a warrior (like him or not) for nothing.
- Powerslave

trading gorges, larry, gus, falk or any other depth players sends no message at all...

moving reinhart or ror?

I believe that would certainly send a message...if, in fact, that's what botts wants to do

Imo, if Wilson was good enough to play on a Cup winning team, and actually contribute, he's good enough for me.
- Powerslave

%1,000

He's one of the few real keepers.

For the guy's who need to be moved by the deadline, why wait? If there are teams interested in our guys, begin making the moves. No one is going to over pay us for these guys. If GMJB has suitors why always wait until the last minute as if someone is going panic and offer more? That really doesn't happen. Waiting for a better deal is going to get us half of what Kane would have brought back 2 months ago.
- sskkoo1

Again, who has said he has suitors? Source? There are teams "interested". That doesn't mean they've offered anything jbotts wants.

Trading Gorges for a 5th sends the wrong message. You lose your dressing room by dumping a warrior (like him or not) for nothing.
- Powerslave

I think they would have dealt him at any point this season, if they had an offer. His contract is tough to move before the deadline.

I think they would have dealt him at any point this season, if they had an offer. His contract is tough to move before the deadline.
- Lunaion

Fair enough, but to just dump him for a meaningless draft pick because the GM thinks it will "send a message" isn't realistic.

Have until next monday.

Why rush ?
- cabin

Why always wait until the last possible minute and then have to settle for less like we did with McGinn? Teams will start making moves soon, the Kings already did. Every team that makes a move is a potential suitor for our guys who is now off the board.

I'd add NOT extending Kane and holding off on Reinhart and Lehner were prudent and important decisions as well.

Pouliot was a smart gamble.

I think he's played the hand he was dealt well.
- Lunaion

Excellent points.

Tmgm would have signed these guys to contracts that would be impossible to move forward.

Is jbotts a bad gm for wanting to watch ror, okposo and risto up close for a year?

We all fill flop on this board with all of those guys. I'm sure he feels different on different days.

Why always wait until the last possible minute and then have to settle for less like we did with McGinn? Teams will start making moves soon, the Kings already did. Every team that makes a move is a potential suitor for our guys who is now off the board.
- sskkoo1

Maybe the other GM is waiting . Remember it takes 2

I think they would have dealt him at any point this season, if they had an offer. His contract is tough to move before the deadline.
- Lunaion

the rest of deal is prorated this year and there isn't much left...plus, aren't the sabres willing to eat half to facilitate a deal?

Why always wait until the last possible minute and then have to settle for less like we did with McGinn? Teams will start making moves soon, the Kings already did. Every team that makes a move is a potential suitor for our guys who is now off the board.
- sskkoo1

Who says he's waiting until the last minute?

Maybe the other GM is waiting . Remember it takes 2
- cabin

This

Trading Gorges for a 5th sends the wrong message. You lose your dressing room by dumping a warrior (like him or not) for nothing.
- Powerslave

The room was never won...worrying about the message sent to the room at this point:

For the guy's who need to be moved by the deadline, why wait? If there are teams interested in our guys, begin making the moves. No one is going to over pay us for these guys. If GMJB has suitors why always wait until the last minute as if someone is going panic and offer more? That really doesn't happen. Waiting for a better deal is going to get us half of what Kane would have brought back 2 months ago.
- sskkoo1

Honestly, I don't think it's that easy.

Half the playoff teams have cap issues, and are better served waiting until the deadline.

Half the playoff teams aren't sure they're playoff teams, and want to wait before making a move.

Significant moves 2 months out are really the exception.

I like GMJB and I like the moves he's made so far. I'm just saying that if he's so upset with the team currently, than he needs to do something. He's has 75% of this roster he can move and no one would give a damn. He's got 20 other teams who are probably buyers he can work with, and he's got 2 weeks left to move a bunch of guys and get what he can. I just cannot buy that there's no dance partners for him right now. Even trading Gorges for a 5th would send a massage to the team. To do nothing all season while they stink and then freak out over their poor play and still do nothing, sends out a very weird mixed message.
- sskkoo1

Trading gorges is a message of ? Trying to win?

Jbotts is trying to get a high pick.
Seriously why wouldn't he want these top dudes in the draft?

The whole slamming doors could be a trade for gorges falling thru. Someone took that 5th off the table.
Maybe Deon phaneaf filled that bill?

Maybe Kane was going to jump on the kings bus after the game. The didn't like what they saw, said and said no?

We have no idea what made him angry?

The room was never won...worrying about the message sent to the room at this point:


- washedup20

Perhaps he's less inclined to deal a guy out of that sorry a$$ dressing room who has actual (frank)ing NHL clout in the hopes that some of it will actually wear off on some of these losers.

Like, hate or are indifferent towards Gorges, he gives his all.

I agree.
I think we are 2 for 2 on trades so far

Scandella > Foligno and Ennis
Wilson > 5th pick

Jack > 80 million. Especially years 3-8
Mitts looks great
- Boss34

Wasn't Bowl-U a trade he made? Not sure that is a win or loss, but yea.

the rest of deal is prorated this year and there isn't much left...plus, aren't the sabres willing to eat half to facilitate a deal?
- Michael Pachla

That's my point. The closer it gets to the deadline, the easier he is to move.

I think they would have loved to move him in October. I'm sure neither side enjoyed having him as an 8th D in the press box.

Who says he's waiting until the last minute?
- Powerslave

Well, he's got himself so upset that he's screaming and slamming doors during a game and yet in the past 5 months all he's done is bring in Wilson. He's got a whole team not named Jack or Casey he can move, and about 20 GM looking to buy, and yet nothing can be done. Sorry, I just can't buy that. Just my opinion, I'll leave it at that.

Honestly, I don't think it's that easy.

Half the playoff teams have cap issues, and are better served waiting until the deadline.

Half the playoff teams aren't sure they're playoff teams, and want to wait before making a move.

Significant moves 2 months out are really the exception.
- Lunaion

What's up with all the great points every one is making tonight?

Great conversation gentleman

Respectful and intelligent

That's my point. The closer it gets to the deadline, the easier he is to move.

I think they would have loved to move him in October. I'm sure neither side enjoyed having him as an 8th D in the press box.
- Lunaion

my bad...misread it...

he should have some value as a reserve to a western conference team, hence the mention of st. louis...

if he gets the sabres a 5th, i'd be happy

Wasn't Bowl-U a trade he made? Not sure that is a win or loss, but yea.
- Lilroot9

Hi Root
Welcome back

Perhaps he's less inclined to deal a guy out of that sorry a$$ dressing room who has actual (frank)ing NHL clout in the hopes that some of it will actually wear off on some of these losers.

Like, hate or are indifferent towards Gorges, he gives his all.
- Powerslave

Again, I totally agree.

Tmgm brought him in for his leadership and balls out effort, not his actual on ice play.

Gorges is a warrior and an OT.

original tanker

my bad...misread it...

he should have some value as a reserve to a western conference team, hence the mention of st. louis...

if he gets the sabres a 5th, i'd be happy
- Michael Pachla

Not to mention, I read somewhere recently that Botts is trying to move him to a playoff contender.