Jared Crozier: Game Day: Tampa @ Ottawa, What a Karlsson/Ryan package means

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Go leafs

Trading Ryan only seems to make sense from a cost saving persepctive, which, if they're rebuilding (as the blog said), isn't necessary.

They'd only do it to save Eugene money.

The next lockout (next summer) will probably allow for another round of amnesty buyouts. Just wait for that.

Trading Ryan only seems to make sense from a cost saving persepctive, which, if they're rebuilding (as the blog said), isn't necessary.

They'd only do it to save Eugene money.
- david22

yup.

when melnyk interferes you end up trading for gaborik and retaining money on phaneuf.

if it's a pure hockey deal, i'm starting to believe you can get a real good return for him.

Tampa has an excellent pipeline of prospects and even guys like TJ or...dare I say... Point who could fit into this kind of trade. I cringe at the thought of trading Point... but, eh... we'll see.

It really comes down to D figuring out to what level he wants to blow the thing up. My suggestion: completely.

It means a team gets 2 months of Erik Karlsson and is then stuck with Bobby Ryan for 4 years plus and $35 million which might as well be thrown into a dumpster. I wouldn’t make that trade even if it meant only giving up a 7th round pick

Tampa has an excellent pipeline of prospects and even guys like TJ or...dare I say... Point who could fit into this kind of trade. I cringe at the thought of trading Point... but, eh... we'll see.

It really comes down to D figuring out to what level he wants to blow the thing up. My suggestion: completely.
- OzBolts

i think trading for karlsson makes you guys huge cup favorites for 2 years. stevie y might even be able to sign him to a team friendly deal long-term.

but it's all about the now for you guys imo. even if that means giving up sergachev or point.

karlsson & pageau for johnson, sergachev, howden, 1st and 2nd could be what it takes to get him.

It means a team gets 2 months of Erik Karlsson and is then stuck with Bobby Ryan for 4 years plus and $35 million which might as well be thrown into a dumpster. I wouldn’t make that trade even if it meant only giving up a 7th round pick

Karlsson is signed for next season

It means a team gets 2 months of Erik Karlsson and is then stuck with Bobby Ryan for 4 years plus and $35 million which might as well be thrown into a dumpster. I wouldn’t make that trade even if it meant only giving up a 7th round pick
- BringNYIhome

And the award for the worst post goes to . . . .

(we all have a rough day)

Pricing himself too high.
Not seeing a path to winning a Cup in Ottawa.
blah blah blah

There is one single reason any of this is happening. Karlsson will not re-sign with Ottawa as long as Melnyk is owner.

This was decided this past summer when Melynk ran Alfredsson out of the organization for a second time by giving him a low-ball offer to remain as an Advisor. It was further cemented when Melnyk gave Turris a low-ball 'take it or leave' offer to extend in Ottawa which resulted in his departure.

The Senators have gone through two Presidents, three CFOs, and numerous marketing executives in the last few years because none could work with Melynk. He is toxic.

So bloggers and media can dance around why Karlsson is heading out of town all they like. But there is only one reason and that is the pathetic Senators' ownership that is Eugene Melynk.

And the award for the worst post goes to . . . .

(we all have a rough day)
- AlfieisKing

the day's not over.

i have faith you will find a way to outdo him.

If we do trade Karlsson, then we are in a full rebuild with the following players also leaving within the next 2 years:
Brassard
Smith
Duchene
Hoffman
Gaborik

Bobby Ryan contract may be needed to get to the salary floor or we trade / buy him out.

Hopefully we can convince Stone to stick around and show professional work habits to the younger players.

i think trading for karlsson makes you guys huge cup favorites for 2 years. stevie y might even be able to sign him to a team friendly deal long-term.

but it's all about the now for you guys imo. even if that means giving up sergachev or point.

karlsson & pageau for johnson, sergachev, howden, 1st and 2nd could be what it takes to get him.
- Tumbleweed

my opinion is that a trade with tampa needs to involve more higher end prospects and less picks.

they're basically guaranteed to have a pick that's 28 or later, so a 1st is basically a 2nd, and 2nd basically a 3rd, etc, etc

to me, anyone who wants Karlsson, especially at a 6.5mil cap hit for this year and next, is going to have to pay OUT THE ASS to get him. if it's tampa, i want sergachev AND point and more

yup.

when melnyk interferes you end up trading for gaborik and retaining money on phaneuf.

if it's a pure hockey deal, i'm starting to believe you can get a real good return for him.
- Tumbleweed

The Phaneuf deal which brought Gaborik to Ottawa has only modest cost savings. However, it hasn't caused a significant drop in performance of the D core - whether that is due to poor chemistry with Ceci or other reasons. Given that Phaneuf is declining every year, this is a good move for the club going forward.

Tampa has an excellent pipeline of prospects and even guys like TJ or...dare I say... Point who could fit into this kind of trade. I cringe at the thought of trading Point... but, eh... we'll see.

It really comes down to D figuring out to what level he wants to blow the thing up. My suggestion: completely.
- OzBolts


i think trading for karlsson makes you guys huge cup favorites for 2 years. stevie y might even be able to sign him to a team friendly deal long-term.

Tampa already has stud d in Hedman. Does Karlson turn Tampa into Seabrook/Kieth, McInnes/Pronger (who never won cup together) type of team or does it take away from chemistry that is already working? For sure it would make sure a competitor like Washington or Boston doesn't pick him up.

my opinion is that a trade with tampa needs to involve more higher end prospects and less picks.

they're basically guaranteed to have a pick that's 28 or later, so a 1st is basically a 2nd, and 2nd basically a 3rd, etc, etc

to me, anyone who wants Karlsson, especially at a 6.5mil cap hit for this year and next, is going to have to pay OUT THE ASS to get him. if it's tampa, i want sergachev AND point and more
- sensarmy_11

i'm not sure you get both point and sergachev. but i think you should get one of them.

my opinion is that a trade with tampa needs to involve more higher end prospects and less picks.

they're basically guaranteed to have a pick that's 28 or later, so a 1st is basically a 2nd, and 2nd basically a 3rd, etc, etc

to me, anyone who wants Karlsson, especially at a 6.5mil cap hit for this year and next, is going to have to pay OUT THE ASS to get him. if it's tampa, i want sergachev AND point and more
- sensarmy_11

Don't see them giving both.

I think a deal centered on Point could get done though.

If you're not going to be a cap team anyway, what's the point of moving Bobby Ryan? It's not like he's a bad player, he's just hurt a lot and drastically overpaid. The only one who benefits from a Ryan trade at this point is Melnyk. Forcing him into a Karlsson trade probably costs two pieces that would otherwise be coming back the other way.

i'm not sure you get both point and sergachev. but i think you should get one of them.
- Tumbleweed

If I was putting together a team today, and I could pick Karlsson or Sergachev, taking into consideration health, age, contract status, career momentum, current production, I'm taking Sergachev. I know people are going to call me a troll but if you take out your feelings about Karlsson and just look at the facts, you'd be crazy to trade Sergachev for Karlsson. Karlsson will be 29 when his new contract kicks in and there's no guarantee that he's ever going to regain his form. Sergachev is young with years of cost certainty ahead (that's huge for Tampa) and there's not even a huge production gap between the two.

If I was putting together a team today, and I could pick Karlsson or Sergachev, taking into consideration health, age, contract status, career momentum, current production, I'm taking Sergachev. I know people are going to call me a troll but if you take out your feelings about Karlsson and just look at the facts, you'd be crazy to trade Sergachev for Karlsson. Karlsson will be 29 when his new contract kicks in and there's no guarantee that he's ever going to regain his form. Sergachev is young with years of cost certainty ahead (that's huge for Tampa) and there's not even a huge production gap between the two.
- Jeffmt

Agreed

You don't trade young D-men on ELC's that perform like Sergachev does

Tampa just really isn't a fit

I could see Vegas being able to take on the Ryan contract, but I wouldn't want to mess with the chemistry they got going on there, or give up any young assets or picks

If I was putting together a team today, and I could pick Karlsson or Sergachev, taking into consideration health, age, contract status, career momentum, current production, I'm taking Sergachev. I know people are going to call me a troll but if you take out your feelings about Karlsson and just look at the facts, you'd be crazy to trade Sergachev for Karlsson. Karlsson will be 29 when his new contract kicks in and there's no guarantee that he's ever going to regain his form. Sergachev is young with years of cost certainty ahead (that's huge for Tampa) and there's not even a huge production gap between the two.
- Jeffmt

if you're building a team to win now, or for the next 3-4 years (which is what tampa is built to do)....taking everything you said into consideration......then anyone who doesn't take karlsson is an idiot.

if you're a rebuilding team, who looks like they're 3-4 years away from contending....then i agree you take sergachev

right now, karlsson is light years better than sergachev. karlsson has 10 more points, in less games playing on a VASTLY inferior team. how many points do you think karlsson would have right now on tampa......i bet he'd be close to leading the league. you say you have to consider all factors, well when you consider all factors there is a MASSIVE production gap between the two. right now, sergachev is not a top pairing dman........right now, karlsson is one of if not THE best dmen in the league

Pricing himself too high.
Not seeing a path to winning a Cup in Ottawa.
blah blah blah

There is one single reason any of this is happening. Karlsson will not re-sign with Ottawa as long as Melnyk is owner.

This was decided this past summer when Melynk ran Alfredsson out of the organization for a second time by giving him a low-ball offer to remain as an Advisor. It was further cemented when Melnyk gave Turris a low-ball 'take it or leave' offer to extend in Ottawa which resulted in his departure.

The Senators have gone through two Presidents, three CFOs, and numerous marketing executives in the last few years because none could work with Melynk. He is toxic.

So bloggers and media can dance around why Karlsson is heading out of town all they like. But there is only one reason and that is the pathetic Senators' ownership that is Eugene Melynk.
- maaddmike

100 % bang on.

Don't see them giving both.

I think a deal centered on Point could get done though.
- david22

i think if they don't get both then they don't make the trade.

look on teh flip side. if tampa was selling hedman, do you think we only have to give up chabot plus some middling assets to get him? HELL NO

if the deal isn't point AND sergachev and i'm PD, i'm not moving him within the division.

Agreed

You don't trade young D-men on ELC's that perform like Sergachev does

Tampa just really isn't a fit

I could see Vegas being able to take on the Ryan contract, but I wouldn't want to mess with the chemistry they got going on there, or give up any young assets or picks
- TheGame316

vegas might have the cap room to take on ryan, but they aren't close to having the required young assets it would take to get karlsson out of ottawa. i'd say vegas is one of the least likely teams to get karlsson