Having watched Ivory for many years, this would be a good decision for the Bills
- feetontheair22

Ivory>>greasy lunch meat>>>Mike Tolbert

Everyone done slitting their wrists or are certain individuals still staring down the barrel of a gun while standing on a ledge?
- TheSabresTaco

I'm just irritated that the pick could be 2022 that's where I'm thinking like how do you draw up something that retarded

If the pick was 2019 fine I would be fine I wouldn't be female doging

I just don't think that pic has very much value in trade wise to acquire some people

I was thinking for sure he was going to get us a first and we could use that to acquire a defenseman in a package

I’m sure you thought the same
- GERBE!!!75PTS

There's the core issue.

I'm just irritated that the pick could be 2022 that's where I'm thinking like how do you draw up something that retarded

If the pick was 2019 fine I would be fine I wouldn't be female doging

I just don't think that pic has very much value in trade wise to acquire some people
- GERBE!!!75PTS

2019 2nd or 1st. 2019 4th or 2020 3rd. Sooo...

Right now if you are looking for someone to move to free up room for a quality UFA (not many out there let alone one that would want to come to this place right now) or via trade its ROR was he doesnt have a NMC or NTC.

Boone Jenner seems like a good fit but I doubt they would want to take on ROR's full salary with other contracts coming up so that leaves Carolina and Arizona

Arizona might be willing to part with Max Domi in the summer and Carolina might give up a dman we were all hoping for. Curious if he moves ROR but I would if I had any team willing to give a decent offer to take on his full cap hit.

Isn’t the updated response “and with your spirit”

You know, the church took years to make that rather significant change...all the while their priests were fondling little boys all over the country.
- IonSabres

yes

2019 2nd or 1st. 2019 4th or 2020 3rd. Sooo...
- TheSabresTaco

Yes but if they sign him the first becomes a 2019 but if the sharks say hey we're going to keep this pick becomes a first in 2022

Edit : apologize it's a 2020

I'm just irritated that the pick could be 2022 that's where I'm thinking like how do you draw up something that retarded

If the pick was 2019 fine I would be fine I wouldn't be female doging

I just don't think that pic has very much value in trade wise to acquire some people
- GERBE!!!75PTS

It's 2020 you idiot....read more.

He's cleaning house, why would he eat 2 mill, either keep him or get rid of him.
- SABRES 89

I was originally speaking of a "Tatar return", and how to get there. What does Botts get for ROR alone?

yes
- Aetherial

no, it's

In all of us command

It's 2020 you idiot....read more.
- fireGMTM

Who cares the point is we won't see that pick for a very long time if it's a first

Who cares the point is we won't see that pick for a very long time if it's a first
- GERBE!!!75PTS

SO you go from this "I'm just irritated that the pick could be 2022 that's where I'm thinking like how do you draw up something that retarded"

Prove wrong

To

The above.

Realistically, you have no idea why you are mad other than we didn't get an 18 first round pick for Kane.

Think of it like this.

For a rental, San Jose, the only team that offered something legitimate, alledgedly (can't get mad at that), they offered a 2nd and a 4th and a very solid AHL guy with NHL potential. If they sign him, they got a 1st and a 4th (or 3rd in 2020) and the same guy.

The rental market outside of Rick Nash was weak. It's abundantly clear Nash carries worlds more respect than Kane does. The baggage clearly was in play here. We will truly see what the league thinks of him in free agency.

The Sabres got the best return for a rental.

Vanek got an average AHL player and a waiver winger.

Grabner got a long term Russian prospect and a 2nd

Maroon got a 3rd and a no name prospect years behind O'Regan

Statsny got a 1st, 4th in 2020 and a prospect comparable to O'Regan with less offensive talent. Blue retained half salary

This was the price for rentals, and it's clear that Stats is a more valuable player and much more respected than Kane.

Bottom line. It sucks the Sabres didn't get more like Nash did, but overall, they got what they could and it's in line with the other rentals.

SO you go from this "I'm just irritated that the pick could be 2022 that's where I'm thinking like how do you draw up something that retarded"

Prove wrong

To

The above.

Realistically, you have no idea why you are mad other than we didn't get an 18 first round pick for Kane.
- ImThatGuy

I was wrong about the year but it's still bad we won't see that pick for a very long time.

But I'm kind of confused on the second is it a straight up 2019 2nd if they don't sign him?

Yes but if they sign him the first becomes a 2019 but if the sharks say hey we're going to keep this pick becomes a first in 2022

Edit : apologize it's a 2020
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I could be wrong, but I did not hear that condition. Can someone confirm/deny

Think of it like this.

For a rental, San Jose, the only team that offered something legitimate, alledgedly (can't get mad at that), they offered a 2nd and a 4th and a very solid AHL guy with NHL potential. If they sign him, they got a 1st and a 4th (or 3rd in 2020) and the same guy.

The rental market outside of Rick Nash was weak. It's abundantly clear Nash carries worlds more respect than Kane does. The baggage clearly was in play here. We will truly see what the league thinks of him in free agency.

The Sabres got the best return for a rental.

Vanek got an average AHL player and a waiver winger.

Grabner got a long term Russian prospect and a 2nd

Maroon got a 3rd and a no name prospect years behind O'Regan

Statsny got a 1st, 4th in 2020 and a prospect comparable to O'Regan with less offensive talent. Blue retained half salary

This was the price for rentals, and it's clear that Stats is a more valuable player and much more respected than Kane.

Bottom line. It sucks the Sabres didn't get more like Nash did, but overall, they got what they could and it's in line with the other rentals.
- TheSabresTaco

Ryan Hartman?


Although he's probably an RFA... idk, I didn't look.

I could be wrong, but I did not hear that condition. Can someone confirm/deny
- TheSabresTaco

I was originally speaking of a "Tatar return", and how to get there. What does Botts get for ROR alone?
- PrinceChill

A youngish center with a lot of term who is an extremely good top 6 center and one of the best faceoff men in the league.

Really depends who is interested and what Bot wants in return. I think you get a top prospect, a 1st, and a top 6 winger.

- ImThatGuy

2 Conditional picks

2019 First round pick (lottery protected, which means it can be pushed to 2020)
conditions - stays a 1st round pick if Kane re-signs, or SJ wins the Stanley Cup this year.
If neither happens it becomes a 2nd in 2019

2019 4th round pick can be pushed to 2020, but it will then become a 3rd round pick in 2020.

-TSN

2 Conditional picks

2019 First round pick (lottery protected, which means it can be pushed to 2020)
conditions - stays a 1st round pick if Kane re-signs, or SJ wins the Stanley Cup this year.
If neither happens it becomes a 2nd in 2019

2019 4th round pick can be pushed to 2020, but it will then become a 3rd round pick in 2020.

-TSN
- GERBE!!!75PTS

So it is. Thanks

No short term help from the TDL.

Tell me this, though. Did any other rental receive short term help in return for their vets?

I totally 100% understand it's disappointing. We expected more. But to believe Botts failed because of what we expected is hardly rational.

2 Conditional picks

2019 First round pick (lottery protected, which means it can be pushed to 2020)
conditions - stays a 1st round pick if Kane re-signs, or SJ wins the Stanley Cup this year.
If neither happens it becomes a 2nd in 2019

2019 4th round pick can be pushed to 2020, but it will then become a 3rd round pick in 2020.

-TSN
- GERBE!!!75PTS

So again to recap, its not "Yes but if they sign him the first becomes a 2019 but if the sharks say hey we're going to keep this pick becomes a first in 2022"

Ok so if the 2019 pick is Lottery protected does that mean they still can trade the pick at the deadline and they lose the lottery protection clause
" Sounds dumb I know"

Jw

Ryan Hartman?


Although he's probably an RFA... idk, I didn't look.
- jochfr

RFA. No (frank)ing clue how he got a 1st. But he's not a rental.

So it is. Thanks
- TheSabresTaco

Eh not really, If its lottery protected we don't get it if they win the lottery,
We do if they don't.

Say Kane resigns

My question is, if SJ falls apart, but doesn't win the lottery, and picks 6th does the pick then become ours?

Because that is how I read it.