Looks like two groups are forming on this issue.

I agree with you. Give the media what they want but personal stuff between coach and player stays in the room.

I think it's funny how Green (and all teams for that matter) withhold injury information even when a player is not playing yet will blabber about personal and sensitive conversations.

I wonder if Green will be just another canuck management type to disappear from the NHL once their stint with the nucks is over.
- bloatedmosquito

^this

I just want this organization to be taken seriously, and I find it near impossible when the 3 muppets who are currently in charge, keep giving media/fans/etc negative poop to always talk about. My rant has nothing to do about sensitivity. I would prefer Green benched vets if they are being stupid, rather than automatically resort to rookies being scratched if they aren't deserving over a vet.

Green to Media:
I had a 20 minute talk with Goldy today. Told him he is really good with the puck, but not so good when he doesn't have it. Asked him "how long do you think you had the puck last night?" he replied "2 minutes". I went to our analytics dept and they told me he had it for 29 seconds.


Green is an idiot. People wonder why the media is so bad in Vancouver, its because we have an idiot coach that gives the media a whole bunch of negative poop to talk about. What good does it serve to ever throw a newer player/prospect under the bus like that. Its the same thing with his "unscripted" outburst at Nilsson, not "knowing" he had a camera on him the whole time.
- Codes1087

That's not how I read it at all.

Green wants Goldy to be better away from the puck. He's asking him how much time he think he has with the puck to show him that, however good he is with the puck, he'll always spend more time in a game without the puck.

He played a total of 9:31 the other night, and had the puck for 0:29, leaving him without the puck for 9:02 of game time. Basically played 95% of his game without the puck. That's what Green is getting at – not throwing anyone under the bus, but showing the majority of his playing time is always going to be without the puck. If he wants to improve, that's the area he'll have to improve the most.

^this

I just want this organization to be taken seriously, and I find it near impossible when the 3 muppets who are currently in charge, keep giving media/fans/etc negative poop to always talk about. My rant has nothing to do about sensitivity. I would prefer Green benched vets if they are being stupid, rather than automatically resort to rookies being scratched if they aren't deserving over a vet.
- Codes1087

This team needs to clean house before they are not looked at as a joke

That's not how I read it at all.

Green wants Goldy to be better away from the puck. He's asking him how much time he think he has with the puck to show him that, however good he is with the puck, he'll always spend more time in a game without the puck.

He played a total of 9:31 the other night, and had the puck for 0:29, leaving him without the puck for 9:02 of game time. Basically played 95% of his game without the puck. That's what Green is getting at – not throwing anyone under the bus, but showing the majority of his playing time is always going to be without the puck. If he wants to improve, that's the area he'll have to improve the most.
- NewYorkNuck

I heard the interview.
Green is arrogant and condescending.
Mixed messages continue.

We've had the same idiots in the media going all the way back to Green's playing days. So hardly.

- boonerbuck

I love how "The Media" has become this three-headed monster that has the power to hypnotize the general public, like we don't have the ability to rationalize what we witness.

Media will write whatever we want to hear. It used to be the other way around and that's why journalism was held (at one time) in such high esteem. Now, they are dogs chasing a thrown ball. But to blame them for anything is just a convenient excuse.

I heard the interview.
Green is arrogant and condescending.
Mixed messages continue.
- Marwood

This team needs to clean house before they are not looked at as a joke
- VANTEL

a pre-requisite to work for the canucks should not be that you are somehow tied to the organization from earlier playing days

This team needs to clean house before they are not looked at as a joke
- VANTEL

whenever there is any interest shown in any player older than 25, if that player can be moved for pick(s), they have to look at making a deal. and any player not named Bo or Brock.

any offer for Markstrom or Nilsson.

That's not how I read it at all.

Green wants Goldy to be better away from the puck. He's asking him how much time he think he has with the puck to show him that, however good he is with the puck, he'll always spend more time in a game without the puck.

He played a total of 9:31 the other night, and had the puck for 0:29, leaving him without the puck for 9:02 of game time. Basically played 95% of his game without the puck. That's what Green is getting at – not throwing anyone under the bus, but showing the majority of his playing time is always going to be without the puck. If he wants to improve, that's the area he'll have to improve the most.
- NewYorkNuck

playing 9 minutes and having the puck on your stick for 30 seconds it not disastrous. And minutes without the puck on his stick don't directly translate into minutes the other team has possession. Its such a useless stat to hold a kid to. I wonder how long Gudbranson had the puck, total, on his stick over the last 5 games average. However long the puck is on your stick when he rifles it around the boards and ices it.

This team needs to clean house before they are not looked at as a joke
- VANTEL

late.

I heard the interview.
Green is arrogant and condescending.
Mixed messages continue.
- Marwood

he does come across as a bit of a dink.

still not sure if that makes him a bad coach, still not sure what to expect with the team he is coaching.

I want him to play the kids but if they are given assignments or not following the system, they still have to be somewhat accountable. guess that is hard to balance.

I heard the interview.
Green is arrogant and condescending.
Mixed messages continue.
- Marwood

can you blame him? after all, he's heading the greatest coaching staff in the history of the franchise!

who are you?

This has nothing to be with holding a player accountable. If Green wants to tear a strip off of Goldy for his play, then so be it. If he wants to healthy scratch him, so be it. In light of all the negative media attention since Friedman posted a few days ago, it just doesn't help with anything. I think coaches need to hold ALL players accountable, regardless of age, contract term, cap hit, experience, what have you. But this childish poop is so stupid. Reem him out behind closed doors, don't need to go to the media with your "private" 20 minute conversation just to make him look stupid.
- Codes1087

Leaf troll alt.?

can you blame him? after all, he's heading the greatest coaching staff in the history of the franchise!
- RealityChecker

Nolan Baumgartner was an elite Canucks D man after all

no matter what it is that is happening, it is reported in a negative light.

the media drives so much of the negativity. brutal.

the media comes up with line combos and wonders why TG doesnt have the same ones.

TG wants more out of Goldy. Media keeps asking him why Goldy isn't playing more. TG points out why. so TG is an idiot.

give honest answers, don't answer questions. give the patented hockey answer. never right.

the whole thing with the camera being on him, does he have to wait? is it about performing for the camera or coaching the team?

I hope TG is more concerned with how his message is received by players than how it appears on camera.
- hillbillydeluxe

This is exactly how I see it. There is a very important point being made by someone who played in the NHL for many years to a player trying to break into the NHL. Media and fans would have to go out of their way to see it as Green being an idiot.

This is exactly how I see it. There is a very important point being made by someone who played in the NHL for many years to a player trying to break into the NHL. Media and fans would have to go out of their way to see it as Green being an idiot.

- boonerbuck

I think idiot is a strong word but his comments really didn't serve a purpose did it?

playing 9 minutes and having the puck on your stick for 30 seconds it not disastrous. And minutes without the puck on his stick don't directly translate into minutes the other team has possession. Its such a useless stat to hold a kid to. I wonder how long Gudbranson had the puck, total, on his stick over the last 5 games average. However long the puck is on your stick when he rifles it around the boards and ices it.
- Codes1087

I’m not saying having it on your stick for 30 seconds is disastrous, and (while not having listened to the audio) not sure Green is either.

I think you’re reaching here, especially with the Guddy comparison. No, time without it on his stick doesn’t necessarily mean the other team has it, but is he supporting his team? Is he in his position for breakouts? Is he passive in his play, or is he active? Is he fighting for board battles, or making his way to dangerous areas, or is he floating? There are lots of things to consider without the puck on both offense and defense. And as for Guddy, he plays defense, and his contributions come most from not having the puck — I don’t think Green (or anyone) would bring that up with him... we all know he has lots of other areas of his game to work on

I think idiot is a strong word but his comments really didn't serve a purpose did it?
- bloatedmosquito

Did they do a disservice? (Not asking to poke, serious question.)

I think idiot is a strong word but his comments really didn't serve a purpose did it?
- bloatedmosquito

Yah not really, but def being talked about too much here. If a couple of constructive criticism in the public throws off a player they are not mentally strong enough to be in the NHL.

I’m not saying having it on your stick for 30 seconds is disastrous, and (while not having listened to the audio) not sure Green is either.

I think you’re reaching here, especially with the Guddy comparison. No, time without it on his stick doesn’t necessarily mean the other team has it, but is he supporting his team? Is he in his position for breakouts? Is he passive in his play, or is he active? Is he fighting for board battles, or making his way to dangerous areas, or is he floating? There are lots of things to consider without the puck on both offense and defense. And as for Guddy, he plays defense, and his contributions come most from not having the puck — I don’t think Green (or anyone) would bring that up with him... we all know he has lots of other areas of his game to work on
- NewYorkNuck

...does he make a line change like the Sedins?

I think idiot is a strong word but his comments really didn't serve a purpose did it?
- bloatedmosquito

Probably a level of selfishness in it. Trying to defend himself with reasoning out loud on his decision making. Rookie coaches wither under constant scrutiny. The thick skin comes further down the road.

I love how "The Media" has become this three-headed monster that has the power to hypnotize the general public, like we don't have the ability to rationalize what we witness.

Media will write whatever we want to hear. It used to be the other way around and that's why journalism was held (at one time) in such high esteem. Now, they are dogs chasing a thrown ball. But to blame them for anything is just a convenient excuse.
- bloatedmosquito

They have a high level of influence. Do I think the media is to blame for the current situation in Van? No. Do they run fans in circles creating hyperbole? Yes, like any other major market. Is Vancouver hockey media a bunch of idiots... for the most part yes. I'd take a bunch types like Ferraro with his no shortage of very honest criticisms backed by a long NHL career and his no mess attitude with the generated outrage from someone like Blake Price who is on the radio all day long with his vocal chords all tightened up running his mouth so fast the words are blended together in a state of panic... typically over nothing with any substance. Taking up a hours of radio every day. For every Ferraro, there are 3 or 4 Blake Prices and Botchfords.

I think idiot is a strong word but his comments really didn't serve a purpose did it?
- bloatedmosquito

put me in the camp of: who gives a sh!t, but, apparently it's either green had to explain why goldy gets benched/lesser minutes and was direct and honest to the player and media; or
he threw the player under the bus.

both and neither are the complete answer.

He is coming around but yes. When drafted jake was considered a project because all he ever did was outmuscle everyone and play balls to the wall type hockey, it kind of pisses me off that coaches through the years didn't teach him responsible hockey.

From last blog Bettmanhatesus.

Same with players like Anthony Mantha. Struggled in his first couple seasons in the AHL but came around. He played 130 AHL games.
Julien Gauthier in his first season with the Charlotte Checkers is on the same point pace as JV was.

Jake only played 67 AHL games.

Green to Media:
I had a 20 minute talk with Goldy today. Told him he is really good with the puck, but not so good when he doesn't have it. Asked him "how long do you think you had the puck last night?" he replied "2 minutes". I went to our analytics dept and they told me he had it for 29 seconds.


Green is an idiot. People wonder why the media is so bad in Vancouver, its because we have an idiot coach that gives the media a whole bunch of negative poop to talk about. What good does it serve to ever throw a newer player/prospect under the bus like that. Its the same thing with his "unscripted" outburst at Nilsson, not "knowing" he had a camera on him the whole time.
- Codes1087

Goldy isn't talented enough to get away with slacking in the rest of his game. He isn't Patrick Kane where he can hold off guys for 30 seconds while he dangles.

Van has a coach that is going to hold players accountable for themselves and there attitudes. It's time to grow up. This isn't juniors anymore or the AHL. Goldy isn't a generational talent. What he is probably, the next Nail Yakupov.