Make it a jap whiskey and a cigar and im in!
P.s. After we lose games go watch sone more cliff pu highlights.... Kid looks good i have high hopes for him.
- TheHank

I admit i haven’t watched Pu at all this year
But his numbers are down from last year
That’s concerning
Was looking for him to keep progressing & be over 100pts

Sold.
- dadeadhead

I doubt Sam’s agent would agree to that though

Could be leaving a lot of $$$ on the table

I doubt Sam’s agent would agree to that though

Could be leaving a lot of $$$ on the table
- jdfitz77

Don’t disagree but that IMO would be a value deal.

Don’t disagree but that IMO would be a value deal.
- dadeadhead

Give him two years at 4M and go from there

I admit i haven’t watched Pu at all this year
But his numbers are down from last year
That’s concerning
Was looking for him to keep progressing & be over 100pts
- jdfitz77

Just looking at points, it is a bit concerning. I really like the way he plays though. Hes got a good stride, plenty of speed, he can finish and he makes plays. The staff here seemed to like him last year. Watch some more tape on him, i think you will agree.

It's still early Wedgie
- cabin

The NHL needs to rebuild the Canadian teams. It’s either Vancouver or Montreal.

Buffalo might get 1st overall when it’s a crappy draft class.

The NHL needs to rebuild the Canadian teams. It’s either Vancouver or Montreal.

Buffalo might get 1st overall when it’s a crappy draft class.
- MLew65

The (frank) are you doing here

Just looking at points, it is a bit concerning. I really like the way he plays though. Hes got a good stride, plenty of speed, he can finish and he makes plays. The staff here seemed to like him last year. Watch some more tape on him, i think you will agree.
- TheHank

I don’t disagree
Watched him last year a bit

So many guys look good in Juniors & never amount to much

So the lack of progression with his points is just concerning

I’m not giving up on him or anything though
We’ll see how he looks in Rochester next year

In checking up on Asplund’s production...
I noticed a teammate of his - Michael Lindqvist - has been progressing nicely over the last couple years

His 20 goals in only 33 games is pretty impressive
He’s a 23yr old LW
Undrafted in the NHL, and as far as i can see, no team has signed him or has his rights

He’s small... listed at 5’10 & 173lbs
But looks to be a speedy with some nice scoring ability

As i did more research,
I saw Elliotte Friedman mentioned him & a few others in his 31thoughts blog a few weeks ago

8. A number of NHL teams were in Sweden over the last couple of weeks to scout potential free agents. There are four I know of: defencemen Lawrence Pilut (age 22) and Joel Persson (23); winger Michael Lindqvist (23) and centre Par Lindholm (26). Pilut’s father, Larry, was born in Detroit and played in the NCAA before going to Sweden, where he settled. Among the teams who were watching: Boston, Calgary, Chicago, Nashville, Vancouver and the Rangers. Likely more

.

Hopefully we get in on this too

The only reason why Sam's getting it because his agent probably said hey it's time to put up some points so you can get a juicy new contract

But like I said I'll wait till the summer time to see what moves do we make and then I will decide if we're going to be good
- gerbe75pts

yeah no this is totally right.

"hey Sam, I know it's January 1st, so I just wanted to remind you that your contract expires at the end of the season."

"oh poop! OK! I'll try now!"

That happened, I recorded it.

yeah no this is totally right.

"hey Sam, I know it's January 1st, so I just wanted to remind you that your contract expires at the end of the season."

"oh poop! OK! I'll try now!"

That happened, I recorded it.
- TheSabresTaco

yeah no this is totally right.

"hey Sam, I know it's January 1st, so I just wanted to remind you that your contract expires at the end of the season."

"oh poop! OK! I'll try now!"

That happened, I recorded it.
- TheSabresTaco

You clearly missed every single player that increased their play on contract year cough cough Drew Stafford

if sam's agent says 8 years 5 mil per


what do you say if you are botts?
- homiedclown

Aww hell no

You clearly missed every single player that increased their play on contract year cough cough Drew Stafford
- gerbe75pts

Wrong again kiddo.

I'm well aware that players (allegedly) increase their play in contract years.

But the way you phrased it, you assumed Reinhart was a dippoop and needed to be reminded by his agent that he is in fact in a contract year and that he needs to start trying.

Ignoring every other factor imaginable, you go straight to the "you need to try hard, by the way."
"k"


Fun fact, by the way. 3 months of solid play does not define a player's career. Any GM worth his salt will dole out a contract based on past play and future potential, regardless of age. All other factors not withstanding, such as UFA or RFA status, age, ability, play style, etc., it all boils down to what have you done and what will you do.

Aww hell no
- jcragcrumple

I don't think he has the resume to demand that contract.

He has yet to break 50 points. Since Jan 1 he's on something like a 0.8 ppg pace, which come out to about 65 points over the course of a season. But he needs to do... over the course of the season.

Based on his potential, and him finishing the season as strong as these past 2 months have been for him, I think you're looking at 4-5x5yr.

I don't think he has the resume to demand that contract.

He has yet to break 50 points. Since Jan 1 he's on something like a 0.8 ppg pace, which come out to about 65 points over the course of a season. But he needs to do... over the course of the season.

Based on his potential, and him finishing the season as strong as these past 2 months have been for him, I think you're looking at 4-5x5yr.
- TheSabresTaco

I'd give him 3 years max, personally. 2 would be perfect imo. He's done nothing to warrant a contract beyond 2 months of good play

In checking up on Asplund’s production...
I noticed a teammate of his - Michael Lindqvist - has been progressing nicely over the last couple years

His 20 goals in only 33 games is pretty impressive
He’s a 23yr old LW
Undrafted in the NHL, and as far as i can see, no team has signed him or has his rights

He’s small... listed at 5’10 & 173lbs
But looks to be a speedy with some nice scoring ability

As i did more research,
I saw Elliotte Friedman mentioned him & a few others in his 31thoughts blog a few weeks ago

.

Hopefully we get in on this too
- jdfitz77

http://lastwordonhockey.c...llege-hockey-free-agents/


Brickley and Autio have both attended Sabres D camp in consecutive years, respectively. Brickley is close with Casey Nelson.

I'd give him 3 years max, personally. 2 would be perfect imo. He's done nothing to warrant a contract beyond 2 months of good play
- jcragcrumple

This is the strongest play he's ever had. Remember you need to pay him for what he could develop into, seeing as he's only 22. If he keeps this pace up throughout the next month, he establishes a new bar of play. That needs to be factored into any deal. Expecting him to carry out this pace of play for the entirety of next season is a stretch at this point, and maybe he surprises us.

But if he's showing ability that maybe in 2-3 years, he's a 60 point player, and he's showing signs of being that player and developing slowly but surely, his agent will use that in negotiations. Of course, Botts can say well he's never eclipsed 50, and it took him 3 months to be worth a roster spot, so there's inconsistency in his game. Despite the fact that he has already had two solid, 40+ point seasons under his belt. It's a balancing act. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a 5 year deal, but I'd hope for a 2-3 year deal.

Wrong again kiddo.

I'm well aware that players (allegedly) increase their play in contract years.

But the way you phrased it, you assumed Reinhart was a dippoop and needed to be reminded by his agent that he is in fact in a contract year and that he needs to start trying.

Ignoring every other factor imaginable, you go straight to the "you need to try hard, by the way."
"k"


Fun fact, by the way. 3 months of solid play does not define a player's career. Any GM worth his salt will dole out a contract based on past play and future potential, regardless of age. All other factors not withstanding, such as UFA or RFA status, age, ability, play style, etc., it all boils down to what have you done and what will you do.
- TheSabresTaco

Clearly that worked out in the past with us Myers , Tim c , Stafford , Cody H , Ristolainen, Ennis , and so on

This is the strongest play he's ever had. Remember you need to pay him for what he could develop into, seeing as he's only 22. If he keeps this pace up throughout the next month, he establishes a new bar of play. That needs to be factored into any deal. Expecting him to carry out this pace of play for the entirety of next season is a stretch at this point, and maybe he surprises us.

But if he's showing ability that maybe in 2-3 years, he's a 60 point player, and he's showing signs of being that player and developing slowly but surely, his agent will use that in negotiations. Of course, Botts can say well he's never eclipsed 50, and it took him 3 months to be worth a roster spot, so there's inconsistency in his game. Despite the fact that he has already had two solid, 40+ point seasons under his belt. It's a balancing act. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a 5 year deal, but I'd hope for a 2-3 year deal.
- TheSabresTaco

I would just rather pay him to be a 45 point guy now, and then pay him like a 65 point guy if he gets there, rather than pay him like a 55-point guy for 5 years. I have serious doubts that he's anything more than he shown points/goals-wise (18-22g, 25a). We'll see, but I'd rather wait on him and pay him if he's good than sign him to a 7 year deal like Zaitzev (sp?)

I would just rather pay him to be a 45 point guy now, and then pay him like a 65 point guy if he gets there, rather than pay him like a 55-point guy for 5 years. I have serious doubts that he's anything more than he shown points/goals-wise (18-22g, 25a). We'll see, but I'd rather wait on him and pay him if he's good than sign him to a 7 year deal like Zaitzev (sp?)
- jcragcrumple

Defining his career as a 22 year old, especially as he's showing personal development is a little unfair to the player, to be objective about it. Unfortunately, he's likely going to prove that he's better than a 45 point player. I mean, we'd all like to pay our players peanuts to give us cap room. Just not how it works. He carries this play into next year, he'll be challenging for 60 points. Can't short a guy who's ability shows that potential.

I would just rather pay him to be a 45 point guy now, and then pay him like a 65 point guy if he gets there, rather than pay him like a 55-point guy for 5 years. I have serious doubts that he's anything more than he shown points/goals-wise (18-22g, 25a). We'll see, but I'd rather wait on him and pay him if he's good than sign him to a 7 year deal like Zaitzev (sp?)
- jcragcrumple

Bridge deal is the way to go.
2 years at $3.5m -$4m per...with incentives to get him to $6m per if he hits them.
2nd line wRW should be in the 0.65 PPG +/- ... so like 50sh; 25/25.

Defining his career as a 22 year old, especially as he's showing personal development is a little unfair to the player, to be objective about it. Unfortunately, he's likely going to prove that he's better than a 45 point player. I mean, we'd all like to pay our players peanuts to give us cap room. Just not how it works. He carries this play into next year, he'll be challenging for 60 points. Can't short a guy who's ability shows that potential.
- TheSabresTaco

Yeah, that's all I'm trying to say. Let's not lock him in long-term until he does that

I will never trust a guy that ups his play after we are done from the playoffs when he was hot garbage in the beginning the year

Just shows me the true character of that person

But if they’re injured that’s a different story

Defining his career as a 22 year old, especially as he's showing personal development is a little unfair to the player, to be objective about it. Unfortunately, he's likely going to prove that he's better than a 45 point player. I mean, we'd all like to pay our players peanuts to give us cap room. Just not how it works. He carries this play into next year, he'll be challenging for 60 points. Can't short a guy who's ability shows that potential.
- TheSabresTaco

He’s proved he can only play wing, and needs to be with a top center like Eichel or O’Reilly.

I don’t think you need to pay big $ for that.

If he generated offense on his own, I’d say pay up.