micro tank moves? You think Housley is sitting there trying to conceive ways to be worse off than we already are? I highly doubt it. We have a lot of significant injuries, along with absolutely nothing on the left side. Girgensons on the PP is as useless as Nolan. We're in bad shape. We have no depth. That's on past and present management.
- TheSabresTaco

I see some of these moves, Girgensons for example, to ensure we are making the right call on him for the future (which I hope is a trade). The last few weeks might seem like they are putting players in a "bad" position, but it will be so they can learn for the experience and so GMJB knows what he thinks he needs to upgrade in the off season.

Guhle, Nelson, Antipin are all rookies on a horrible D squad, no way your time can win many games starting 3 rookies, none of which were drafted in the 1st round, on a consistent basis. Losing McCabe and Bogo (make all the jokes you want) is tough for the D squad.

I am looking forward to more AHL call ups and NCAA players being signed and playing in Buffalo before the end of the year, and most of all, loses in most of those games.

That's Housley refusing to play Pouliot in the top 6. I hope everyone remembers RORs LW this year has consisted on Wilson/Girgs for large chunks.

Inb4 "he should make them better," he actually did make Wilson better. Girgensons is hopeless
- jcragcrumple

So it's either the coach is in on the tank or he is a bad coach. I pray it's the first one honestly. You have option (not great ones) but you do have options. Pouliot (chicken man) should be on oreilly wing not wilson, girgs, or Nolan.

Unless they see Foles as the long term answer (i certainly hope not)...
then it would be pretty dumb to trade picks for a guy to only start 1 year for us

Would make more sense to just sign someone that’s a UFA
- jdfitz77

You get Foles for 3 years, not 1. Franchise tag not ideal, but available if need be. I'm not 100% in love with Nicky Six though. Bills don't have Offensive mind as good as Pederson and certainly don't have as good of an O-line.

You get Foles for 3 years, not 1. Franchise tag not ideal, but available if need be. I'm not 100% in love with Nicky Six though. Bills don't have Offensive mind as good as Pederson and certainly don't have as good of an O-line.
- Hatboro_Swords

Which is why I don't want to mortgage the future for a QB with no line

It's a catch 22 ya know?

There are pros and cons to Foles I am not going to act like he is in the top tier with Brady Brees Big Ben

But what he did in the playoffs and the Super Bowl wasn't just luck

He is in the tier with Cousins and Alex Smith

It's the same thing I said a few days ago

Foles for 4-5 years during that time period in the next 2 drafts build a team that is really strong all around him. Then in year 3 use future picks to move up and draft your guy.

At least that's how I think I would do it.

But like it was said there is no right or wrong answer (unless you draft the wrong QB and mortgage your future)
- Stripes77

I’m not ready to put Foles in the same category as Cousins & Smith

I don’t think 3 good games makes up for the past 3 mediocre years

I’m not ready to put Foles in the same category as Cousins & Smith

I don’t think 3 good games makes up for the past 3 mediocre years
- jdfitz77

I don't count the Rams cause well Jeff Fisher

But I get what you're saying

I’m not ready to put Foles in the same category as Cousins & Smith

I don’t think 3 good games makes up for the past 3 mediocre years
- jdfitz77

It is so tough to know with any of them. Foles also had one of the best statistical years of any qa in history before that.

You get Foles for 3 years, not 1. Franchise tag not ideal, but available if need be. I'm not 100% in love with Nicky Six though. Bills don't have Offensive mind as good as Pederson and certainly don't have as good of an O-line.
- Hatboro_Swords

Foles is signed for 1 year,
but even if we franchised him from year to year (i hate that idea, way too much for him)...

Is Foles significantly better than the UFAs out there?
I don’t think so

I’d rather start McCown (or a variety of others) for a year than trade picks for Foles

Or if we are trading picks,
then go “all in” and trade up

It is so tough to know with any of them. Foles also had one of the best statistical years of any qa in history before that.
- Slump Buster

But then he stunk after that crazy good season

If he was a free agent,
then I’d be cool with him

I just don’t like the idea of trading a pick(s) for a guy i don’t see here long term

There are pros and cons to Foles I am not going to act like he is in the top tier with Brady Brees Big Ben

But what he did in the playoffs and the Super Bowl wasn't just luck

He is in the tier with Cousins and Alex Smith

It's the same thing I said a few days ago

Foles for 4-5 years during that time period in the next 2 drafts build a team that is really strong all around him. Then in year 3 use future picks to move up and draft your guy.

At least that's how I think I would do it.

But like it was said there is no right or wrong answer (unless you draft the wrong QB and mortgage your future)
- Stripes77

I agree with you %100

To get foles the bills would probably need to extend him for 4 x 20 million.

I rather build this team, then maybe trade a future 1st or 2 for a qb. If foles isn't the answer

Foles is signed for 1 year,
but even if we franchised him from year to year (i hate that idea, way too much for him)...

Is Foles significantly better than the UFAs out there?
I don’t think so

I’d rather start McCown (or a variety of others) for a year than trade picks for Foles

Or if we are trading picks,
then go “all in” and trade up
- jdfitz77

If you trade a 2nd (they have 2) and a later round pick for him what are they really giving up?

I want nothing to do with McCown, if they trade for Foles he is here at least 3 years at the very least.

I see some of these moves, Girgensons for example, to ensure we are making the right call on him for the future (which I hope is a trade). The last few weeks might seem like they are putting players in a "bad" position, but it will be so they can learn for the experience and so GMJB knows what he thinks he needs to upgrade in the off season.

Guhle, Nelson, Antipin are all rookies on a horrible D squad, no way your time can win many games starting 3 rookies, none of which were drafted in the 1st round, on a consistent basis. Losing McCabe and Bogo (make all the jokes you want) is tough for the D squad.

I am looking forward to more AHL call ups and NCAA players being signed and playing in Buffalo before the end of the year, and most of all, loses in most of those games.
- Lilroot9

👍

I agree with you %100

To get foles the bills would probably need to extend him for 4 x 20 million.

I rather build this team, then maybe trade a future 1st or 2 for a qb. If foles isn't the answer
- Boss34

Trading a 2nd this year isn't a big deal for me

They have a ton of draft capital

At the 2021 draft the Bills use their first, their 2nd and the 2022 1st rounder to move up and draft a QB to play behind a team that is already built and ready for the heir apparent to come in (at least that's my hope)

The Bills have done such a poor job in draft the last 4-5 years with so many coaching changes, systems, etc that is really screwed the pooch.

The Bills are an aging team that have holes in the starting lineup not to mention a huge lack of depth. It's going to take all of those picks to build a contender.

If you don't want to trade for Foles then sign Keenum but the salary cap issue this team is in for this coming season is a huge hurdle as well. That's why I would trade for Foles and his $13 million cap hit is very manageable.

Moulson for 17 games
Tennyson
Pouiliot
Griffith
Pommer ( who I like, but hasn't played well in years)
Letting gianta and his 15 goals walk
Josefson
Dude named cristcolio
Nolan
Bowl u ( 3rd within a division)
Antipin being a rookie
Gorges even playing 1 game
Keeping lehner/ signing chad
Hiring a rookie soft spoken coach
Getting rid of the top pp coach
Keeping Guhle/ ullmark in rochester
Playing Sam at center
Not playing Sam with jack until game 45
Not naming a captain
Getting rid of toughness in d-low and foligno- making us easier to play against

No signs of trying to lose?

Then making no trades for better players except a 5th for Wilson?
Keeping the same disgruntled flawed team together after the deadline.


What signs of trying to win were/Are you seeing?
- Boss34

Huh?

Trading a 2nd this year isn't a big deal for me

They have a ton of draft capital

At the 2021 draft the Bills use their first, their 2nd and the 2022 1st rounder to move up and draft a QB to play behind a team that is already built and ready for the heir apparent to come in (at least that's my hope)

The Bills have done such a poor job in draft the last 4-5 years with so many coaching changes, systems, etc that is really screwed the pooch.

The Bills are an aging team that have holes in the starting lineup not to mention a huge lack of depth. It's going to take all of those picks to build a contender.

If you don't want to trade for Foles then sign Keenum but the salary cap issue this team is in for this coming season is a huge hurdle as well. That's why I would trade for Foles and his $13 million cap hit is very manageable.
- Stripes77

Well put.
I like how you have drawn it out.
I remember liking foles (alot) a few years back.
Prior to mustache fisher coaching him.

Without getting the greatest debate again,
Foles winning the Superbowl and performing as well as he did under that pressure, would always be a comforting thought.

Battle tested

Huh?
- sbroads24

I'm pretty sure Minnesota couldn't wait to get rid of pommer. Couple bad years.

I personally like him. Always have. Just an opinion.

Pretty sure if you are trying to build a cohesive locker room culture, he's a good guy to have.

Not sure you are adding pommer to win the cup this year
Kinda stealthytanky

Which is why I don't want to mortgage the future for a QB with no line

It's a catch 22 ya know?
- Stripes77

we could easily have an o line that bledsoe had his last season here


esp. if incognito goes down/retires

Trading a 2nd this year isn't a big deal for me

They have a ton of draft capital

At the 2021 draft the Bills use their first, their 2nd and the 2022 1st rounder to move up and draft a QB to play behind a team that is already built and ready for the heir apparent to come in (at least that's my hope)

The Bills have done such a poor job in draft the last 4-5 years with so many coaching changes, systems, etc that is really screwed the pooch.

The Bills are an aging team that have holes in the starting lineup not to mention a huge lack of depth. It's going to take all of those picks to build a contender.

If you don't want to trade for Foles then sign Keenum but the salary cap issue this team is in for this coming season is a huge hurdle as well. That's why I would trade for Foles and his $13 million cap hit is very manageable.
- Stripes77

You mean 7 mil cap hit. Which is why i dont mind trading to get him at all.

So Ek has us trading for Doughty...

The source says he has heard a plan is being considered by the Kings where they would make a big offer for Erik Karlsson and trade Doughty at the Draft... the source said Montreal, Toronto, Detroit and Buffalo have all been interested in Drew Doughty and stayed away from Karlsson at the deadline at least partially because of this

You mean 7 mil cap hit. Which is why i dont mind trading to get him at all.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

So if the Bills (or insert team here) trades for Foles, they will give him a contract extension right away, which would increase his cap hit. I guarantee that.

I'm pretty sure Minnesota couldn't wait to get rid of pommer. Couple bad years.

I personally like him. Always have. Just an opinion.

Pretty sure if you are trying to build a cohesive locker room culture, he's a good guy to have.

Not sure you are adding pommer to win the cup this year
Kinda stealthytanky
- Boss34

Yeah but we didn’t add him to purposely lose. We took him back to get Scandella, which was to upgrade the defense. That’s not really a tank move

So Ek has us trading for Doughty...
- adambuffalo

2019 1st, Nylander, Guhle

Would you do it?

2019 1st, Nylander, Guhle

Would you do it?
- MCGUIZZY

Yes

Yeah but we didn’t add him to purposely lose. We took him back to get Scandella, which was to upgrade the defense. That’s not really a tank move
- sbroads24

I see what you' re saying.

1. Getting Scandella
2. Getting pommer

It could have been a little tanky though.
Not sure if jbotts expecited pommer to do anything on the score sheet or winning front.

Probably pommer is giving a little side info on the locker room though. Maybe not?

2019 1st, Nylander, Guhle

Would you do it?
- MCGUIZZY

Sam, Nylander, Guhle.

Not sure about the 2019 first