If we trade risto, F*c$ this team.
People blaming him when he has zero supporting team members.
For me that's as bad as trading eichel or 2018 1st.
- zombres

100% agree
Risto is a beast.
Hard to play against.
Love him

we'd have exactly one more top pairing core guy than we do now. Im not saying make that move and call it a day, but that'd be a helluva start.
- Sabresfan-365

No we would then have an underperforming all star d man who's all alone with no help and the sabres have even less assets.
Risto on a good team. Is at the very least a top 3 dman, probable top 2.
That would be one of the worst trade in this franchise history. Risto is someone you build with not a trade piece.

100% agree
Risto is a beast.
Hard to play against.
Love him
- Boss34

People sh!t on risto all time, but who else is there. Outside of him and maybe scandela. We got an ahl defense.
I guarantee we would regret that for a decade.

No we would then have an underperforming all star d man who's all alone with no help and the sabres have even less assets.
Risto on a good team. Is at the very least a top 3 dman, probable top 2.
That would be one of the worst trade in this franchise history. Risto is someone you build with not a trade piece.
- zombres

because eichel is underperforming right? All-star's perform on any team. Stamkos had 60 goals the year the lightning finished 10th last.

It's not that risto is bad, he's probably good. But he's not good enough for the role he is stuck in now. If you can move him as part of a deal to get someone who can handle top pair duties, Im not sure how it becomes the worst trade in franchise history.

But risto hits a lot so what do i know.

because eichel is underperforming right? All-star's perform on any team. Stamkos had 60 goals the year the lightning finished 10th last.

It's not that risto is bad, he's probably good. But he's not good enough for the role he is stuck in now. If you can move him as part of a deal to get someone who can handle top pair duties, Im not sure how it becomes the worst trade in franchise history.

But risto hits a lot so what do i know.
- Sabresfan-365

First off, you don't have to be condescending.
Second comparing a forward and a defenseman are totally different.
Third. Risto is alone on d, all alone. Everyone else are ahl d mans at best

Edit: eichel was under performing for a while in the beginning of the season. Blame it on who he was playing with. Because that does effect play at some point. He's never been a ppg player, it's not because he doesn't have the skill, it's because he doesn't really have anyone to play with that can put the puck in the net

First off, you don't have to be condescending.
Second comparing a forward and a defenseman are totally different.
Third. Risto is alone on d, all alone. Everyone else are ahl d mans at best
- zombres

when you go to the hyperbole of risto for hypothetically doughty or other top pair d-man as "one of the worst trades in franchise history", you open yourself up to that reaction. Not that I was right to do so, just saying.

The thing that sticks out about risto is his numbers being just as bad or worse than the "ahl at best" guys.

It would be one thing if Ristolainen was piling up points but was being left hung out to dry by his ahl teammates, but eye test and stats indicate that he's way in over his head in that role.


As for your edit, eichel wasn't underperforming, his so called core teammates were. He was creating as many chances then as he did post christmas break, what changed was that guys like ROR and Reinhart finally got their heads out of there asses.

Replace risto for doughty without changing anything else this team is still in last
Replace eichel with mcdavid without changing anything else this is team is still in last.

when you go to the hyperbole of risto for hypothetically doughty or other top pair d-man as "one of the worst trades in franchise history", you open yourself up to that reaction. Not that I was right to do so, just saying.

The thing that sticks out about risto is his numbers being just as bad or worse than the "ahl at best" guys.

It would be one thing if Ristolainen was piling up points but was being left hung out to dry by his ahl teammates, but eye test and stats indicate that he's way in over his head in that role.


As for your edit, eichel wasn't underperforming, his so called core teammates were. He was creating as many chances then as he did post christmas break, what changed was that guys like ROR and Reinhart finally got their heads out of there asses.
- Sabresfan-365

Ah so it works for eichel but not for risto. Gotcha
That makes sense.
Eichel is not ppg because of teamates
Risto is just not good, has nothing to do with poopty teamates.
Risto is good, that's a fact. He just doesn't have anyone to help him on d. And he plays too much. Bring him down to 20 minutes and instantly hes better.
Imho

Replace risto for doughty without changing anything else this team is still in last
Replace eichel with mcdavid without changing anything else this is team is still in last.
- zombres

So you have Marino as the greatest?

Clayton and duper were both good receivers

Probably better than anyone Brady threw too.
Aside from moss
- Boss34

He can't be the greatest due to no Super Bowl titles.

He is the greatest pure passer I have ever seen though.

Good point.

That's why it's all argumentative.
I would take Favre all day everyday over marino
- Boss34

To that I would say: you are high.

Ah so it works for eichel but not for risto. Gotcha
That makes sense.
Eichel is not ppg because of teamates
Risto is just not good, has nothing to do with poopty teamates.
Risto is good, that's a fact. He just doesn't have anyone to help him on d. And he plays too much. Bring him down to 20 minutes and instantly hes better.
Imho
- zombres

Read more. I flat out said ristolainen is good.

Eichel is a star, stars can produce even with crappy players

risto is not a top pair guy, can't lead the d-core especially if it's made up of dead weight

a top pair guy can still produce despite his crappy teammates.

Bringing him down to 20 minutes would effectively make him a 2nd pair guy, kinda proves the point

People sh!t on risto all time, but who else is there. Outside of him and maybe scandela. We got an ahl defense.
I guarantee we would regret that for a decade.
- zombres

Jbotts knows.

Risto is with eichel and mitts.
Off limits

Jbotts knows.

Risto is with eichel and mitts.
Off limits
- Boss34

Not too sure, I would certainly have taken Hall when he was offered for Risto straight up.

Not too sure, I would certainly have taken Hall when he was offered for Risto straight up.
- Shadman306

I would have taken Hall for Risto. But I hold on to him unless i get an offer like that from a GM and nothing less.

He can't be the greatest due to no Super Bowl titles.

He is the greatest pure passer I have ever seen though.
- kingcong39

Nice 39,
I'm on board. Need the ring to be the greatest in my opinion. The ring doesn't instantly make you the greatest.


I really like Big Ben's touch as well as early Peyton.
40 yard hand offs.

Marino had a sweet touch to his throws

Yeah they do it behind closed door with cameras that they air after so you don't see them "cheat"

I wouldn't be surprised if the NHL gave the Islanders the first overall pick so John T stays there
- gerbe75pts

FIFY

Oh, also, they let reporters in, you think they're all a part of some massive conspiracy?

First off, you don't have to be condescending.
Second comparing a forward and a defenseman are totally different.
Third. Risto is alone on d, all alone. Everyone else are ahl d mans at best

Edit: eichel was under performing for a while in the beginning of the season. Blame it on who he was playing with. Because that does effect play at some point. He's never been a ppg player, it's not because he doesn't have the skill, it's because he doesn't really have anyone to play with that can put the puck in the net
- zombres

Scandella is an AHL’er? Kulikov was an AHL’er?

To that I would say: you are high.
- kingcong39

Not agreeing with you on this.

Favre has Marino beat across the board:
Rings
Toughness
Longevity/ games played
Touchdown passes
Completions
Attempts
Games won

But were Marino threw a nice ball in perfect home conditions. Yeah!

It's hard to let your fandom not get in the way of facts.

Also : not high, just saying an opinion. Most of which is backed up by statistics and facts

2019 1st, Nylander, Guhle

Would you do it?
- MCGUIZZY

Absolutely not.

He's going to be 30 at the start of his next deal, and he's going to want a monster long term contract.

Now is not the time for that sort of move.

I would have taken Hall for Risto. But I hold on to him unless i get an offer like that from a GM and nothing less.
- Pegullaville

I agree completely.

Hall riding with Eichel for the remainder of Halls contract would have gone a long way to make this team better.

Jbotts knows.

Risto is with eichel and mitts.
Off limits
- Boss34

With Guhle in Buffalo, our defensive pipeline is an unsigned Borgen and a few longshots. Hopefully they can land a college UFA to help. Trading Risto without a top pair prospect in your system is crazy.

I really hope Botts and Housley get away from calling up players and making them ride pine, or be used as a filler in the bottom 6 next year.


It's ugly watching it and embarrassing.
- washedup20

What would make you think that?

Literally everyone does it.

Not too sure, I would certainly have taken Hall when he was offered for Risto straight up.
- Shadman306

That trade is talked about on here constantly: as if it was fact:

We will never know if it was really offered.

Scandella is an AHL’er? Kulikov was an AHL’er?
- sbroads24

I said earlier minus scandella, I just didn't say it in my last post. Kulikov was bad when he was with us.
It's crazy he got better when he got put on a better team.
You came up with two names of players to say that risto doesn't play with ahlers. One of them isn't even on the team anymore.
I would think you'd be one of the people that agreed with me since you still cry over Myers being traded.