He has 33 points in 58 games on a team that barely scores


- jcragcrumple

This is not directed at you, at all, but I have to find it amusing when I’m labeled a cherry picker when it comes to stats.

The only stats that paint Ristolainen as a top pair guy is ice time and his point totals, both of which coincide with each other for the most part.

If Casey Nelson got Ristolainen’s minutes and PP time, does he have less than 33 points? Are we labeling Nelson a top pairing D man?

Him to be good
- gerbe75pts

Hey how bout adding to a conversation rather than just instigating bullpoop. .6ppg this year would say he's good. -16 on this poopshow when he plays practically half the game is just surprising he is not -30 at this point.

In the era of hot takes, players are either amazing or terrible.

Risto is good. He is not great. He's a pest, he gets 40 points a year (will get more with better wingers) and he's a tough sob.

He is not elite
Not great
Definitely not terrible

He is good
- jcragcrumple

And will also get less once his ice time is decreased, when we have 6 actual D men

This is not directed at you, at all, but I have to find it amusing when I’m labeled a cherry picker when it comes to stats.

The only stats that paint Ristolainen as a top pair guy is ice time and his point totals, both of which coincide with each other for the most part.

If Casey Nelson got Ristolainen’s minutes and PP time, does he have less than 33 points? Are we labeling Nelson a top pairing D man?
- sbroads24

Whatever you say, Tanner...

This is not directed at you, at all, but I have to find it amusing when I’m labeled a cherry picker when it comes to stats.

The only stats that paint Ristolainen as a top pair guy is ice time and his point totals, both of which coincide with each other for the most part.

If Casey Nelson got Ristolainen’s minutes and PP time, does he have less than 33 points? Are we labeling Nelson a top pairing D man?
- sbroads24

Yes.

Play Girgensons the amount that ROR plays, and he finishes with maybe 35 points. Some players are better than others, that's why they play more. Chimera will never be Eichel

Stop trolling.
- Wetbandit1

I’m not ..

They could easily show it live to shut us people up

Nope

Just this year he is scoring at a .6 point per game. With these nubs for linemates. Imagine him on a great team. I truly believe we will regret trading him for pretty much anyone except a true all star And even then.
- zombres

Everyone is just pissed at being in 31st place.

Half these current guys do not even give %100.

He's always in the mix, sticking up for teammates.
Dirty work.
Work out machine.

Sam should hit the gym with him


How many guys come in and practice with th e team during a contract impasse? That's a heart and sole guy.

He's making blowgo money, but people female dog

Favre threw the football with force.

Brady gets the ball out quicker than anyone / ever

Again just my opinions.
And maybe factual with actual time of release with tom
- Boss34

Tom does not get the ball out quicker than Dan. That is not remotely true or accurate.

This is not directed at you, at all, but I have to find it amusing when I’m labeled a cherry picker when it comes to stats.

The only stats that paint Ristolainen as a top pair guy is ice time and his point totals, both of which coincide with each other for the most part.

If Casey Nelson got Ristolainen’s minutes and PP time, does he have less than 33 points? Are we labeling Nelson a top pairing D man?
- sbroads24

I do not care for crazy stats.
I'm old school I guess,
Does he get points? Yes
Does he play a lot ? Yes
Does he get guys away from the net? Yes
Hits, points, time all I care about.
He is good, not elite, hell not even great yet. But he will be.

This is not directed at you, at all, but I have to find it amusing when I’m labeled a cherry picker when it comes to stats.

The only stats that paint Ristolainen as a top pair guy is ice time and his point totals, both of which coincide with each other for the most part.

If Casey Nelson got Ristolainen’s minutes and PP time, does he have less than 33 points? Are we labeling Nelson a top pairing D man?
- sbroads24

Are you advocating for a system where the sabres pay 23 players $2.3 million each, and they all get equal ice time? Better players get paid more, play more and produce more

Yes.

Play Girgensons the amount that ROR plays, and he finishes with maybe 35 points. Some players are better than others, that's why they play more. Chimera will never be Eichel
- jcragcrumple

I severely doubt he has less.

Nelson has 0 PP points. 2 short handed points

5, 5 on 5 points in 367 minutes
Risto has just 12 5 on 5 points in 1067 minutes

12 5 on 5 points. That’s it. 7 more than Nelson despite 3x the ice time

Tom does not get the ball out quicker than Dan. That is not remotely true or accurate.
- kingcong39

I think he means quicker reads

Marino's actual release was super human

Brady just makes his mind up faster

I severely doubt he has less.

Nelson has 0 PP points. 2 short handed points

5, 5 on 5 points in 367 minutes
Risto has just 12 5 on 5 points in 1067 minutes

12 5 on 5 points. That’s it. 7 more than Nelson despite 3x the ice time
- sbroads24

Are you sure that's the argument you want to make. Nelson is better than risto. That's what you wanna go with. If so, you are worse then gerbe. Congrats

I severely doubt he has less.

Nelson has 0 PP points. 2 short handed points

5, 5 on 5 points in 367 minutes
Risto has just 12 5 on 5 points in 1067 minutes

12 5 on 5 points. That’s it. 7 more than Nelson despite 3x the ice time
- sbroads24

First of all, that's 5-on-5, not even strength. Second, Risto plays against the best. 3rd, Nelson is fresher having just come into the league. I'm sure he's running on adrenaline. Fourth, Nelson plays against lesser competition, so it's easier to score.

This argument that ice time is the only thing preventing players from being as good as others is obtuse. You have it backwards. They play more because they're better

I think he means quicker reads

Marino's actual release was super human

Brady just makes his mind up faster
- Stripes77

Sure is a lot easier to make fast reads when the defense can barely breathe on wide receivers, as we both know.

Tom does not get the ball out quicker than Dan. That is not remotely true or accurate.
- kingcong39

Fandom gets in the way sometimes.

Is there some sort of evidence of Marino and his quickest ever release.

This discussion is going no where
I respect your opinion.
I watched a lot of football , and marino was great.
Kelly beat him 13-5 record.
It's about winning.

First of all, that's 5-on-5, not even strength. Second, Risto plays against the best. 3rd, Nelson is fresher having just come into the league. I'm sure he's running on adrenaline. Fourth, Nelson plays against lesser competition, so it's easier to score.

This argument that ice time is the only thing preventing players from being as good as others is obtuse. You have it backwards. They play more because they're better
- jcragcrumple

Doesn’t that also mean he plays with our 3rd and 4th lines, which you think are the NHL’s worst? So he has it easier to score, or no?

Doesn’t that also mean he plays with our 3rd and 4th lines, which you think are the NHL’s worst? So he has it easier to score, or no?
- sbroads24

No?

First of all, that's 5-on-5, not even strength. Second, Risto plays against the best. 3rd, Nelson is fresher having just come into the league. I'm sure he's running on adrenaline. Fourth, Nelson plays against lesser competition, so it's easier to score.

This argument that ice time is the only thing preventing players from being as good as others is obtuse. You have it backwards. They play more because they're better
- jcragcrumple

Ristolainen plays half the game

Eichel and O’Reilly both averaged 20 minutes per.

So most of Risto’s ice time is WITH O’Reilly or Eichel lines. Or on the PP with them both. Quality of Competition is rarely ever relevant

No?
- jcragcrumple

How so, exactly?

If Risto’s pair takes the top competition, that means O’Reilly’s line is matching up against them too.

So our bottom lines are with our 3rd pair. How is that incorrect

Ristolainen plays half the game

Eichel and O’Reilly both averaged 20 minutes per.

So most of Risto’s ice time is WITH O’Reilly or Eichel lines. Or on the PP with them both. Quality of Competition is rarely ever relevant
- sbroads24

That is just not true. Good players play more. Good defenseman play more no matter the offense pairing.

That is just not true. Good players play more. Good defenseman play more no matter the offense pairing.
- zombres

Players with a good reputation play more.

And our defense has been so bad, of course Risto gets those minutes

But it won’t be like that soon, and Risto will settle into a role

How so, exactly?

If Risto’s pair takes the top competition, that means O’Reilly’s line is matching up against them too.

So our bottom lines are with our 3rd pair. How is that incorrect
- sbroads24

Because Risto isn't only playing when those guys play. I tried to look it up on dobber but they don't include d/forward combos. Risto plays with everyone at even strength.

When the Sabres have the last change at home, they'll try to utilize him how they want, but that doesn't work on the road

Because Risto isn't only playing when those guys play. I tried to look it up on dobber but they don't include d/forward combos. Risto plays with everyone at even strength.

When the Sabres have the last change at home, they'll try to utilize him how they want, but that doesn't work on the road
- jcragcrumple

“The good players play more”

So Risto is on the ice......with our other good players a majority of the time

Players with a good reputation play more.

And our defense has been so bad, of course Risto gets those minutes

But it won’t be like that soon, and Risto will settle into a role
- sbroads24

Players who are good play more. ROR was just voted as top-5 underrated players by the NHLPA. Larsson, or Girgs or anyone else isn't gonna produce like him, even if they play 40 minutes a game. Some players are better: that's not a controversial statement. Better players play more