“The good players play more”

So Risto is on the ice......with our other good players a majority of the time
- sbroads24

Both of them

“The good players play more”

So Risto is on the ice......with our other good players a majority of the time
- sbroads24

Yes, Risto is on the ice with the other 6 players on this team who are good. Sometimes he's not. He plays all the time.

Ristolainen plays half the game

Eichel and O’Reilly both averaged 20 minutes per.

So most of Risto’s ice time is WITH O’Reilly or Eichel lines. Or on the PP with them both. Quality of Competition is rarely ever relevant
- sbroads24

Broads: I almost always agree with you.

But somehow liking Myers but not liking risto is odd to say the least.

Favre threw the football with force.

Brady gets the ball out quicker than anyone / ever

Again just my opinions.
And maybe factual with actual time of release with tom
- Boss34

Marino and Elway had quicker releases.

Players who are good play more. ROR was just voted as top-5 underrated players by the NHLPA. Larsson, or Girgs or anyone else isn't gonna produce like him, even if they play 40 minutes a game. Some players are better: that's not a controversial statement. Better players play more
- jcragcrumple

Right, you are trying to have this both ways. Pick a side.

Risto plays against good competition = true
Risto plays WITH our better players = also true

Nelson plays against lesser competition = true
Nelson also plays with lesser teammates = also true

You can’t argue one matters for Ristolainen but against Nelson

Broads: I almost always agree with you.

But somehow liking Myers but not liking risto is odd to say the least.
- Boss34

I don’t think Myers is a top pairing D man. I don’t think Risto is either.

I’ve said maybe 100 times at this point I was wrong about Myers being a #1

Risto is a solid #2 defender.

He doesn't show like a #1 because he isn't. The Hedman's, Doughty's and Karlsson's will always be a step above.

At the same point, he shows like a #3 because he doesn't have a partner (has never played with one legitimate top pairing defender), is on a horrific team (has been ever since he got here) that doesn't score and plays more minutes than almost anyone in the league. That means he's picking up slack, on a team that is bad already and is overworked on top of it. IMO there's no way to put up top pairing statistics when battling those kind of compounded problems.

Can't say Risto isn't a top pairing defender because he's never been put into the place where he could be stats wise. Can't say he's an elite defender because those guys push the needle further by themselves. OEL is my example.

Right, you are trying to have this both ways. Pick a side.

Risto plays against good competition = true
Risto plays WITH our better players = also true

Nelson plays against lesser competition = true
Nelson also plays with lesser teammates = also true

You can’t argue one matters for Ristolainen but against Nelson
- sbroads24

So you think Nelson would be just as good, if not better than Risto if he played 30 minutes?

So you think Nelson would be just as good, if not better than Risto if he played 30 minutes?
- jcragcrumple

Never said that. Because I don’t use point totals as the only measurement to being “good”

I said he’d have 33 points

Never said that. Because I don’t use point totals as the only measurement to being “good”

I said he’d have 33 points
- sbroads24

I think you're wrong

Ice time doesn't make a player good. Good players get ice time

I think you're wrong

Ice time doesn't make a player good. Good players get ice time
- jcragcrumple

Ice time provides opportunities.

I’m sorry but if you think every point every player gets is because of their skill level, that’s just insane. You see how many points are awarded for pretty much doing nothing, don’t you?

Ice time provides opportunities.

I’m sorry but if you think every point every player gets is because of their skill level, that’s just insane. You see how many points are awarded for pretty much doing nothing, don’t you?
- sbroads24

So you're saying ROR gets 58 points a year because he plays a lot, so he's on the ice and has points awarded to him arbitrarily?

No, he's on the ice because he creates 58 points a year

Risto is a guy you hold onto and build the d-core around. Hes payed reasonably for what he brings. The fact that Bogo got a letter on his jersey over him this year was a slap in the face. I hope they show him some respect next season because I think hes one of the few guys that shows fire and wants to be apart of the solution. They need to do whatever it takes to get him some support this summer. I think he would flourish under the right conditions. Crazy that he's only 23 years old.

Edit: Hes definitely overplayed and he was rushed into the NHL only to be surrounded by a losing environment and barely any support. I think hes done pretty well given the circumstances

I’m not ..

They could easily show it live to shut us people up

Nope
- gerbe75pts

They don't show it live because it would ruin the suspense.

Trust me, there's no conspiracy. You think they could pay a reporter enough to not reveal the scoop of a lifetime? Let alone a handful of them? And the independent auditors?

Come on, man...

And I know you were really trolling, but we've been to the moon, there's a mirror there that we can bounce lasers off of. Did aliens put that there for us?

So you're saying ROR gets 58 points a year because he plays a lot, so he's on the ice and has points awarded to him arbitrarily?

No, he's on the ice because he creates 58 points a year
- jcragcrumple

No, he gets some of his 58 points because he plays a ton.

Seriously, how is that even debatable?

Did you see his goal against Toronto? Didn’t it hit the ref and bounce right to him?

He “created” that goal? Gimme a break.

Risto is a solid #2 defender.

He doesn't show like a #1 because he isn't. The Hedman's, Doughty's and Karlsson's will always be a step above.

At the same point, he shows like a #3 because he doesn't have a partner (has never played with one legitimate top pairing defender), is on a horrific team (has been ever since he got here) that doesn't score and plays more minutes than almost anyone in the league. That means he's picking up slack, on a team that is bad already and is overworked on top of it. IMO there's no way to put up top pairing statistics when battling those kind of compounded problems.

Can't say Risto isn't a top pairing defender because he's never been put into the place where he could be stats wise. Can't say he's an elite defender because those guys push the needle further by themselves. OEL is my example.
- RhinoFan

This is a fantastic post. I couldn't explain exactly what was in my mind but you did thank you

One thing is true whenever I back-read
I remember my grandmother's favorite saying: Opinions are like A$$Holes, Everyone has one, but some stink more than others

No, he gets some of his 58 points because he plays a ton.

Seriously, how is that even debatable?

Did you see his goal against Toronto? Didn’t it hit the ref and bounce right to him?

He “created” that goal? Gimme a break.
- sbroads24

If Girgensons had that puck there, he'd fall over and hit the netting above the glass.

I feel like your argument is that if an amateur painter spent as much time painting as Monet, they'd be a master. They wouldn't.

No, he gets some of his 58 points because he plays a ton.

Seriously, how is that even debatable?

Did you see his goal against Toronto? Didn’t it hit the ref and bounce right to him?

He “created” that goal? Gimme a break.
- sbroads24

If your good you get ice time, if you get ice time you produce, if you produce you get more ice time. What is so complicated
Oreilly gets first/second line minutes because he's a proven commodity.

Seriously what more do people want.
- zombres

I want him to take the next step like hedman, karlsson, dougthy, etc have done at this age

he should be getting better, and he simply hasn't


he stopped improving once he got paid, sound familiar?

I want him to take the next step like hedman, karlsson, dougthy, etc have done at this age

he should be getting better, and he simply hasn't


he stopped improving once he got paid, sound familiar?
- homiedclown

Yea but he gets paid a lot less than those guys. So I don't really know if its a good idea to lump him in there with them. Yes he was the 8th overall pick but I think given the circumstances, hes done pretty well.

Yea but he gets paid a lot less than those guys. So I don't really know if its a good idea to lump him in there with them. Yes he was the 8th overall pick but I think given the circumstances, hes done pretty well.
- MCGUIZZY

flip side to the coin

we as a team has sucked for the last 3 years and risto is getting close to half the ice time


most of us thought myers would be a number 1 dman early on same for risto

it's ok being a decent 2/3 d man


we just need to find that #1 to play with him


scandella is not the long term answer as a top pair d man

I want him to take the next step like hedman, karlsson, dougthy, etc have done at this age

he should be getting better, and he simply hasn't


he stopped improving once he got paid, sound familiar?
- homiedclown

But he is not hedman or karlson or an elite d man. He is a good if not a great d man. No one here ever called him elite. If that's the reason why people don't like him, that on you guys not him.

He has improved every season while the team has declined every year since his draft.

No, he gets some of his 58 points because he plays a ton.

Seriously, how is that even debatable?

Did you see his goal against Toronto? Didn’t it hit the ref and bounce right to him?

He “created” that goal? Gimme a break.
- sbroads24

That goal was a slightly more obvious version of fortunate, but Matthews scored quite a few goals where he was in the right place at the right time last year.

If Girgensons had that puck there, he'd fall over and hit the netting above the glass.

I feel like your argument is that if an amateur painter spent as much time painting as Monet, they'd be a master. They wouldn't.
- jcragcrumple

Why are you using Girgensons as the comparable?

No one is saying everyone would have 58 points. I’m saying point totals don’t accurately depict skill level. Some points are in fact lucky.

You have to be on the ice to benefit from luck, good or bad.