Except Risto actually produces above a #1C Girgs rate (.5) with Risto at (.56)
- jcragcrumple

I wonder if Girgensons would have been better than .50 if he played PP time with Jack Eichel and Ryan O’Reilly?

I wonder if Girgensons would have been better than .50 if he played PP time with Jack Eichel and Ryan O’Reilly?
- sbroads24

Well he wouldn't have time with them, because in that scenario, he's the third-best center, so he doesn't get minutes, because he's not that good

Except Risto actually produces above a #1C Girgs rate (.5) with Risto at (.56)
- jcragcrumple

if risto is great though


why the pathetic team record with him on the ice half of the time

But he is not hedman or karlson or an elite d man. He is a good if not a great d man. No one here ever called him elite. If that's the reason why people don't like him, that on you guys not him.

He has improved every season while the team has declined every year since his draft.
- zombres

Spot on.

Some people like to hate.

Risto and eichel are the least of our worries

Ror is next

if risto is great though


why the pathetic team record with him on the ice half of the time
- homiedclown

I said a couple pages back, I think he's good, not great. I thought he'd take another step, but he hasn't so far. I'm willing to give him another year or two to see what he can do as a 25-year-old with a better roster

Well he wouldn't have time with them, because in that scenario, he's the third-best center, so he doesn't get minutes, because he's not that good
- jcragcrumple

So basically, if Ristolainen was on Nashville, he wouldn’t rack up 40 points, because he wouldn’t be better than Subban, Ellis or Ekholm, and wouldn’t get the PP time. So you’d think he wasn’t actually good if that was the case?

So basically, ice time factors into point totals.

What are we debating here, exactly?

So basically, if Ristolainen was on Nashville, he wouldn’t rack up 40 points, because he wouldn’t be better than Subban, Ellis or Ekholm, and wouldn’t get the PP time. So you’d think he wasn’t actually good if that was the case?

So basically, ice time factors into point totals.

What are we debating here, exactly?
- sbroads24

Those are good players. You're saying lesser players would have the same production given Risto's ice time

Crazy how far Zemgus has fallen from grace. Its really sad actually
- MCGUIZZY

I'm fine with Girgs for another year

Larson needs to go.
That dude is completely useless

So basically, if Ristolainen was on Nashville, he wouldn’t rack up 40 points, because he wouldn’t be better than Subban, Ellis or Ekholm, and wouldn’t get the PP time. So you’d think he wasn’t actually good if that was the case?

So basically, ice time factors into point totals.

What are we debating here, exactly?
- sbroads24

He'd be on the second pair with ekholm, and would be seeing pp time for sure. On that team he's probably a 22 min player putting up 55+ points. What are you even debating anymore. Risto on a better team, makes him better.

He really hasn’t fallen that far. He was never really good. He played a lot that year.

That’s all
- sbroads24

Girgs was impressive that 2015 the tank year.

We all liked him
Many thought he would be the next sabres captain

He played alot and produced 15 goals
It's not like he scored 40

Wilson has 5 for the sabres. On pace for 15 with his buffalo #'s projected over a year.

I like him too.
Over achieving

I said a couple pages back, I think he's good, not great. I thought he'd take another step, but he hasn't so far. I'm willing to give him another year or two to see what he can do as a 25-year-old with a better roster
- jcragcrumple

I pretty much agree 100%


2 years ago, I did not want them to trade risto


I am on the fence now if they moved him

Those are good players. You're saying lesser players would have the same production given Risto's ice time
- jcragcrumple

I don’t think Nelson is much or at all lesser offensively. The only proof Risto is better is PP production , which Nelson hasn’t been afforded the opportunity to prove whether he’s good or bad at.

If Risto produced at even, I wouldn’t hold this opinion

I don’t think Nelson is much or at all lesser offensively. The only proof Risto is better is PP production , which Nelson hasn’t been afforded the opportunity to prove whether he’s good or bad at.

If Risto produced at even, I wouldn’t hold this opinion
- sbroads24

the same could be said for antipin

He'd be on the second pair with ekholm, and would be seeing pp time for sure. On that team he's probably a 22 min player putting up 55+ points. What are you even debating anymore. Risto on a better team, makes him better.
- zombres

No, he wouldn’t play over Ryan Ellis. I have a hard time believing that

I said a couple pages back, I think he's good, not great. I thought he'd take another step, but he hasn't so far. I'm willing to give him another year or two to see what he can do as a 25-year-old with a better roster
- jcragcrumple

Risto is great compared to any other defenseman on the buffalo sabres roster.

But haters gonna hate

Bills sign free agent DE Owa Odighizuwa

No, he wouldn’t play over Ryan Ellis. I have a hard time believing that
- sbroads24

I thought risto would be closer to duncan keith at this point than spacek

Risto is great compared to any other defenseman on the buffalo sabres roster.

But haters gonna hate
- Boss34

Zemgus Girgensons was great comparable to any Sabre center in 2014-15

Bills sign free agent DE Owa Odighizuwa
- 22sabresQ

Oh-DIGGY-zoo-wah.

Bills sign free agent DE Owa Odighizuwa
- 22sabresQ

project.

nothing more, nothing less.

Yeah ok show it live then

Almost as believable as the moon landing
- gerbe75pts

project.

nothing more, nothing less.
- dadeadhead

can you explain for a 7th time why nelson is a free agent?

I am bored at work

I thought risto would be closer to duncan keith at this point than spacek
- homiedclown

I'd say he's closer to Teppo than Spacek.

can you explain for a 7th time why nelson is a free agent?

I am bored at work
- homiedclown

Group 6 UFA

25 years old by June, turns 26 in July

3 years of pro hockey

Less than 80 games of NHL play

He's free to sign where he pleases.

Group 6 UFA

25 years old by June, turns 26 in July

3 years of pro hockey

Less than 80 games of NHL play

He's free to sign where he pleases.


- dadeadhead