80% 5 x5

I get what your saying about 5 x5 but,

Go the the nhl , league standings
Top 16 teams have a plus goal differential
It maybe the same for 5 x5 , but from that stat, all goals are judged evenly.

I went to the game , I like Ror, wish he was there tonight.
Risto was for sure
- Boss34

Good teams will score on the PP usually.

One of the reasons people assumed our PP wouldn’t repeat last years performance is because it’s rare to be one of the worst 5 on 5 teams, but have the best PP. We were bound to regress.

Score 5 on 5, be a good hockey team. Someday it will be us

You are looking in the wrong place for a stupid argument.

Try someone else.
- Boss34

Just saying that judging QBs by “championships won” is a bad way to compare

Foles didn’t win a Super Bowl
The EAGLES did

He played well & was a part of it
But it’s a team sport
Guys have played poorly & won
And played great & still lost

Foles is a good backup
He’d be a low end starter
Better than Tyrod?
Probably

Trading a pick(s) for a guy who would likely only start 1 year for us is a bad idea

They why don’t defensemen take faceoffs?

Why does every single coach put his best faceoff guy on the ice in important situations?

It matters
- jdfitz77

The Carolina Hurricanes lead the league in faceoff percentage and currently do not hold a playoff spot...

Just saying that judging QBs by “championships won” is a bad way to compare

Foles didn’t win a Super Bowl
The EAGLES did

He played well & was a part of it
But it’s a team sport
Guys have played poorly & won
And played great & still lost

Foles is a good backup
He’d be a low end starter
Better than Tyrod?
Probably

Trading a pick(s) for a guy who would likely only start 1 year for us is a bad idea
- jdfitz77

I like your attitude

Easier to discuss this topic

I'm just not sure if any player in any sport can be the greatest without ever winning a championship?

Tiger/ jack
Jordan/bird/kobe/magic/LeBron
Gretsky/lemieux/ crosby/ howe/ orr/ hasek
Babe Ruth / every other yankee/
Brady/ manning/ farve/ rodgers/ Montana

See the common thread. Winning.

Can you come up with the greatest without ever winning?

Just curious. Pete rose?

Just saying that judging QBs by “championships won” is a bad way to compare

Foles didn’t win a Super Bowl
The EAGLES did

He played well & was a part of it
But it’s a team sport
Guys have played poorly & won
And played great & still lost

Foles is a good backup
He’d be a low end starter
Better than Tyrod?
Probably

Trading a pick(s) for a guy who would likely only start 1 year for us is a bad idea
- jdfitz77

Winning a championship doesn't make you great, but you can rarely be considered great unless you win a championship. They're are exceptions, but you would have to dominate your peers in just about every stat (i.e. Marino), and those people are few and far between.

Good teams will score on the PP usually.

One of the reasons people assumed our PP wouldn’t repeat last years performance is because it’s rare to be one of the worst 5 on 5 teams, but have the best PP. We were bound to regress.

Score 5 on 5, be a good hockey team. Someday it will be us
- sbroads24

Good teams score goals and prevent goals from going in. Someday it will be us.

If we win in ot game 7 of the Stanley cup on the pp, it would count the same as 5 x 5

Winning a championship doesn't make you great, but you can rarely be considered great unless you win a championship. They're are exceptions, but you would have to dominate your peers in just about every stat (i.e. Marino), and those people are few and far between.
- buffalofan19

Well spoken.
Do you feel like Marino is greater than ?
Brady
Manning
Montana
Farve

I like your attitude

Easier to discuss this topic

I'm just not sure if any player in any sport can be the greatest without ever winning a championship?

Tiger/ jack
Jordan/bird/kobe/magic/LeBron
Gretsky/lemieux/ crosby/ howe/ orr/ hasek
Babe Ruth / every other yankee/
Brady/ manning/ farve/ rodgers/ Montana

See the common thread. Winning.

Can you come up with the greatest without ever winning?

Just curious. Pete rose?
- Boss34

Pete Rose - 1975 world series mvp

Well spoken.
Do you feel like Marino is greater than ?
Brady
Manning
Montana
Farve
- Boss34

I would put Marino above Favre, not the others.

Now we just need an Arizona win tonight
- Pegullaville

Maybe a 3-point game ????

The Calgary announcers said Buffalo has Brady Tkachuk ranked as the second best prospect in the draft



Dammmmnmnnn n
- gerbe75pts

Fake news

It’s just an absolutely meaningless skill that doesn’t lead to wins.
- sbroads24

Agreed

They why don’t defensemen take faceoffs?

Why does every single coach put his best faceoff guy on the ice in important situations?

It matters
- jdfitz77

On a "good" team it matters ...... on this team it's meaningless.

The Carolina Hurricanes lead the league in faceoff percentage and currently do not hold a playoff spot...
- buffalofan19

And Buffalo was the best team in the NHL in PP last year ............. look where that got us.

This year we were the worst PP for most of the season ........ look where that got us.

Well spoken.
Do you feel like Marino is greater than ?
Brady
Manning
Montana
Farve
- Boss34

What one could say is that Marino ushered in all of these guys ......there really wasn't anyone like him up to that point. Not even Elway.

I like your attitude

Easier to discuss this topic

I'm just not sure if any player in any sport can be the greatest without ever winning a championship?

Tiger/ jack
Jordan/bird/kobe/magic/LeBron
Gretsky/lemieux/ crosby/ howe/ orr/ hasek
Babe Ruth / every other yankee/
Brady/ manning/ farve/ rodgers/ Montana

See the common thread. Winning.

Can you come up with the greatest without ever winning?

Just curious. Pete rose?
- Boss34

We got our signals crossed here

I was just saying that using rings was a bad way conspire QBs bc you used that when u compared Alex Smith & Foles

Smith plays a role on getting his team to the playoffs year in & year our
Foles can’t even keep a “starting position”
A small sample soze of good games doesn’t change that

If Foles were a free agent,
I’d be ok signing him as a bridge to whoever we draft

I’m not ok trading a pick for a guy who would start for us for 1 season

That doesn’t make sense to me
We could use that pick to fill another hole
Just sign McCarron, McCown, Bradford, etc for a season or 2 if we don’t trade up for a QB

The Carolina Hurricanes lead the league in faceoff percentage and currently do not hold a playoff spot...
- buffalofan19

Doesn’t mean that it doesn’t make a difference

20seconds left, down by one...
is it important or not to win that faceoff?

Saying it’s not important is nuts

I like your attitude

Easier to discuss this topic

I'm just not sure if any player in any sport can be the greatest without ever winning a championship?

Tiger/ jack
Jordan/bird/kobe/magic/LeBron
Gretsky/lemieux/ crosby/ howe/ orr/ hasek
Babe Ruth / every other yankee/
Brady/ manning/ farve/ rodgers/ Montana

See the common thread. Winning.

Can you come up with the greatest without ever winning?

Just curious. Pete rose?
- Boss34

This is all fair...
but just using Hasek for example

I thought he was an all-time great when he was here
My opinion of him didn’t get better bc he went to a loaded Detroit team & finally won a Cup

Not to say it doesn’t matter at all
But in a team sport,
I don’t give “rings” much weight
The other factors matter more to me

I do get what you’re saying though

I would put Marino above Favre, not the others.
- buffalofan19

I can respect that.

On a "good" team it matters ...... on this team it's meaningless.
- fastek

Fair enough
I guess u could say that about everything though

What one could say is that Marino ushered in all of these guys ......there really wasn't anyone like him up to that point. Not even Elway.
- fastek

Good call with elway.

Marino threw a nice pig skin.

I'm going say big Ben too. Tied at least in greatness with dan.

Good call with elway.

Marino threw a nice pig skin.

I'm going say big Ben too. Tied at least in greatness with dan.
- Boss34

It’s almost impossible to compare QBs from different generations

How many yards would Marino throw for in today’s NFL?
6,000? More maybe?

And he wasn’t throwing to Jerry Rice either
Did anyone Marino played with make it to the Hall of Fame?
Heck... I’ll bet there weren’t even that many ProBowlers
Miami did a terrible job surrounding him with talent

We got our signals crossed here

I was just saying that using rings was a bad way conspire QBs bc you used that when u compared Alex Smith & Foles

Smith plays a role on getting his team to the playoffs year in & year our
Foles can’t even keep a “starting position”
A small sample soze of good games doesn’t change that

If Foles were a free agent,
I’d be ok signing him as a bridge to whoever we draft

I’m not ok trading a pick for a guy who would start for us for 1 season

That doesn’t make sense to me
We could use that pick to fill another hole
Just sign McCarron, McCown, Bradford, etc for a season or 2 if we don’t trade up for a QB
- jdfitz77

That sums it up. I kinda agree with you now.


I'm worried about:

A rookie qb is going to be a step back : most likely over foles. Especially a guy taken at 22

I want the bills to be good next year. I think foles would be an upgrade to ty . Probably close to Smith?

Maybe 2 more wins. It's debatable

This is all fair...
but just using Hasek for example

I thought he was an all-time great when he was here
My opinion of him didn’t get better bc he went to a loaded Detroit team & finally won a Cup

Not to say it doesn’t matter at all
But in a team sport,
I don’t give “rings” much weight
The other factors matter more to me

I do get what you’re saying though
- jdfitz77

Well put.


We all thought hasek was the greatest here in buffalo.

The rings and the Olympics made him arguably the greatest everywhere. Not just sabres fans

It’s almost impossible to compare QBs from different generations

How many yards would Marino throw for in today’s NFL?
6,000? More maybe?

And he wasn’t throwing to Jerry Rice either
Did anyone Marino played with make it to the Hall of Fame?
Heck... I’ll bet there weren’t even that many ProBowlers
Miami did a terrible job surrounding him with talent
- jdfitz77

Mark brothers
Clayton and duper.

Not sure who made who though. Dan or them.