Correct there were tons of draft picks but no prospects

There are plenty of people to blame with how this team is right now
- Stripes77

If GMTM didn’t have all those assets to work with,
then I’d be with ya

Not saying Darcy left him with gold
But all the currency that was here,
Murray just wasted

They should be on the phone with the Texans and Giants
- Stripes77

I could see us moving up to 2 and Glenn being part of the trade up with the giants.

Glenn is worth probably a second?

I have a feeling we may take Allen if not Rosen.

Matt Moore makes a lot of sense too as back up/ bridge guy

We should’ve just traded for Landry
A 4th & a 7th is basically nothing for a guy who has caught more passes in his first 4 years than anyone else ever

A possession WR like that would be a great help to a young QB imo
- jdfitz77

1% ☺

I could see us moving up to 2 and Glenn being part of the trade up with the giants.

Glenn is worth probably a second?

I have a feeling we may take Allen if not Rosen.

Matt Moore makes a lot of sense too as back up/ bridge guy
- Boss34

I sure hope not
HUGE potential to BUST imo

Seems to me that Cleve is gonna pick him 4th
Allen is the QB in the “top4” who isn’t ready to step in and play
The others are
So if they planned on taking Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield...
then bringing in Tyrod to back them up doesn’t make sense
But it does make sense to start Tyrod for a year while Allen learns the NFL game

I don't think the roster players and prospects sent out are anything special. Some of the picks could've turned out to be good, but that's what it costs to play. He definitely solidified good working relationships with other GMs. You guys don't want to acknowledge that means anything. I do and think it would've helped down the road.
- Hatboro_Swords

Anything special is downplaying just how many holes are in this organization. We need everything

I don't think the roster players and prospects sent out are anything special. Some of the picks could've turned out to be good, but that's what it costs to play. He definitely solidified good working relationships with other GMs. You guys don't want to acknowledge that means anything. I do and think it would've helped down the road.
- Hatboro_Swords

If dan oregan scores 15 goals next year, the trade is fine.

That's probably 5-10 less than kane in 2018

Those 5-10 goals should be made up in team continuity

If GMTM didn’t have all those assets to work with,
then I’d be with ya

Not saying Darcy left him with gold
But all the currency that was here,
Murray just wasted
- jdfitz77

Even with the currency maybe 1 or 2 of those picks would be NHL ready by now

So again Darcy and his horrible drafting left the Sabres with no prospects

Murray with throwing away draft picks didn't help build the prospect pool either

Placing the blame squarely on Murray's shoulders is short sighted when you look at how bad the Sabres drafted for the last decade.

I sure hope not
HUGE potential to BUST imo

Seems to me that Cleve is gonna pick him 4th
Allen is the QB in the “top4” who isn’t ready to step in and play
The others are
So if they planned on taking Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield...
then bringing in Tyrod to back them up doesn’t make sense
But it does make sense to start Tyrod for a year while Allen learns the NFL game
- jdfitz77

Browns draft Barkley at one and Allen at 4 IMO

You're spot on with the 3 targets for the Bills if they move into the top 5

Browns draft Barkley at one and Allen at 4 IMO

You're spot on with the 3 targets for the Bills if they move into the top 5
- Stripes77

I kind of think bringing in tyrod to Cleveland might open it up for trading to the bills pick and taking Jackson.

Maybe right after the 3rd pick is named.
In case our guy is gone

I kind of think bringing in tyrod to Cleveland might open it up for trading to the bills pick and taking Jackson.

Maybe right after the 3rd pick is named.
In case our guy is gone
- Boss34

If I am reading this right you think Cleveland will trade 4th overall to Buffalo so the Bills can take Jackson?

If they do that I would lose my mind

Or if you mean Cleveland would take Jackson at 21 or 22?

Even with the currency maybe 1 or 2 of those picks would be NHL ready by now

So again Darcy and his horrible drafting left the Sabres with no prospects

Murray with throwing away draft picks didn't help build the prospect pool either

Placing the blame squarely on Murray's shoulders is short sighted when you look at how bad the Sabres drafted for the last decade.
- Stripes77

Darcy’s last draft netted

Ristolainen
Zadorov
Compher
Bailey
Petersen
Baptiste

That’s 6 NHL’ers if Petersen pans out. In one draft.

He had Armia, Girgensons, in the pipeline and Pysyk, Myers, McNabb, already on the blue line, and the plan was to draft high in 2014, and 2015.

He had 2 2015 1sts already, and had the framework to the Miller deal done, which netted us a 3rd 2015 1st. Already had multiple 2nds

He gave Murray a gold mine in assets.

Darcy’s last draft netted

Ristolainen
Zadorov
Compher
Bailey
Petersen
Baptiste

That’s 6 NHL’ers if Petersen pans out. In one draft.

He had Armia, Girgensons, in the pipeline and Pysyk, Myers, McNabb, already on the blue line, and the plan was to draft high in 2014, and 2015.

He had 2 2015 1sts already, and had the framework to the Miller deal done, which netted us a 3rd 2015 1st. Already had multiple 2nds

He gave Murray a gold mine in assets.
- sbroads24

Now read my entire post

I said decade

Also lets see:

Pysyk McNabb Zadorov all 2nd or 3rd pairing guys sure would help a bit

Armia and his 11 goals would surely be the missing piece to light this team on fire
Girgensons is a dumpster fire

Bailey and Baptiste are bottom 6 guys at best
Petersen is a goalie and playing in the AHL who wasn't signing here anyway

Murray threw away draft picks sure but maybe one or two of those picks would be helping this team right this second.

The original post was about how bad this team is currently.

Yes Murray gets a lot of the blame but Darcy should be getting some as well

In my opinion Murray did 2 things right:

1. Build a team destine to finish last in 2015
2. Did whatever he could (Still not sure what that was but nothing will surprise me) to
make sure that the 3 lottery format didn't start up until 2016.

I remember the league wanted to switch to the Lotto we have right now in 2015 Murray was adimit that they make them wait a year.

I've seen some people say how Murray only wanted McDavid, but he did a hell of a job trying to guarantee that we would still get Jack if we finish last and lose the lottery.

If I am reading this right you think Cleveland will trade 4th overall to Buffalo so the Bills can take Jackson?

If they do that I would lose my mind

Or if you mean Cleveland would take Jackson at 21 or 22?
- Stripes77

Cleveland would take jackson at 21 or 22.

Bills take who they really like at 4, if he's there.

Obviously the bills add many more picks and possibly glenn?

Now read my entire post

I said decade

Also lets see:

Pysyk McNabb Zadorov all 2nd or 3rd pairing guys sure would help a bit

Armia and his 11 goals would surely be the missing piece to light this team on fire
Girgensons is a dumpster fire

Bailey and Baptiste are bottom 6 guys at best
Petersen is a goalie and playing in the AHL who wasn't signing here anyway

Murray threw away draft picks sure but maybe one or two of those picks would be helping this team right this second.

The original post was about how bad this team is currently.

Yes Murray gets a lot of the blame but Darcy should be getting some as well
- Stripes77

I read it.

Murray was set up pretty. We stay patient and our future looks a lot brighter right now.

Sure, trades had to be made at some point. Not those ones, and not at that time.

Cleveland would take jackson at 21 or 22.

Bills take who they really like at 4, if he's there.

Obviously the bills add many more picks and possibly glenn?
- Boss34

The 2 firsts and probably next years 1st

I am petrified of USC QBs though

I read it.

Murray was set up pretty. We stay patient and our future looks a lot brighter right now.

Sure, trades had to be made at some point. Not those ones, and not at that time.
- sbroads24

The real question is would this team be better today?

Maybe but not by much

Would this team be better in 2 years without the trades? Probably

Murray screwed up royally thinking he could do a quick fix after a complete tear down with no good prospects coming up.

I still think this has Pegula written all over it

The real question is would this team be better today?

Maybe but not by much

Would this team be better in 2 years without the trades? Probably

Murray screwed up royally thinking he could do a quick fix after a complete tear down with no good prospects coming up.

I still think this has Pegula written all over it
- Stripes77

I don’t know. Darcy got the go-ahead from Pegula to go full rebuild.

Darcy was fired simply because he was here 17 years and it was a PR nightmare at the time. I think maybe 5% of the fans wanted him to be in charge of the rebuild.

Once Murray was hired people were on board. I don’t think he was rushed

J.T. COMPHER is the only player traded by Murray that I wasn't happy about. I thought he was going to be a good one for us. Oh Wait: I did forget Mcnabb and Pysyk. Those trades were, I don't even no what to say about them, makes me sick just thinking about it.

I don’t know. Darcy got the go-ahead from Pegula to go full rebuild.

Darcy was fired simply because he was here 17 years and it was a PR nightmare at the time. I think maybe 5% of the fans wanted him to be in charge of the rebuild.

Once Murray was hired people were on board. I don’t think he was rushed
- sbroads24

We know Lafontaine wanted to keep Miller

But Lafontaine hired Murray

Murray wanted to trade him and Murray was the last one here

I still think Pegula had a hand in all of this

Just think what our defense would look like right now if we drafted Sergachev and got Will Butcher to sign with us this season. We would be much better off then we are now.

So Derek Ryan at age 28,
gets 15goals in a season in the SHL,
comes to the NHL & scores 11 & 13 goals for u guys

And u project Olofsson to MAYBE do the same thing...
even though at a much younger age (22),
he VASTLY outscored Ryan (27goals to 15)

Your logic isn’t holding up here
- jdfitz77

Is Aaron Palushaj going to come in and score 19 goals? I'm not here to poop on guys or anything, just saying that there's a real big difference between scoring in the SHL and scoring in North America.

Man, we cleaned up in the playoffs last year after having that #1 PP unit.

It’s not like we were a bottom 5 team despite that. I guess I’m wrong
- sbroads24

Your overly simplistic view is endearing.

Do you remember when we made the cup finals against Dallas with the #1 and #2 PP and PK in the playoffs?

Don't remember what it was in 05-06, but I'm sure it was close.

And how Rod Brind'Amour was an absolute monster on the dot; but that doesn't matter either, or so I've heard.

J.T. COMPHER is the only player traded by Murray that I wasn't happy about. I thought he was going to be a good one for us. Oh Wait: I did forget Mcnabb and Pysyk. Those trades were, I don't even no what to say about them, makes me sick just thinking about it.
- Sabrehagan

McNabb's was an awful trade. However, Murray knew Pysyk would have just been an expansion draft casualty, Kulikov wouldn't have been as bad if he wasn't assaulted by a bench door...that one I forgive him for. It didn't work out, but he wanted to move up for Asplund (who still looks to be a good "get") and Kulikov WAS about equivalent to Pysyk without the expansion issue. That one made sense.

McNabb ++ for D-Lo and Fasching, never did.

Your overly simplistic view is endearing.

Do you remember when we made the cup finals against Dallas with the #1 and #2 PP and PK in the playoffs?

Don't remember what it was in 05-06, but I'm sure it was close.

And how Rod Brind'Amour was an absolute monster on the dot; but that doesn't matter either, or so I've heard.
- BareMetal

I’ve explained it 1,000 times, and it’s getting tiresome.

I don’t mind sarcastic shots at my opinions, but at least get them correct

Special teams matter. Never once said they don’t. They don’t matter a lot over the course of an entire season. You can go ahead and do the math yourself. The difference between *most* teams is small. It makes a difference comparing the 1st and 30th teams PP.

When your team is talented, they are going to score PP goals. It’s not an impressive feat. Racking up PP points with Jack Eichel is one of the least impressive things a player can do.

Score when things are even. Then you see who seperates themselves from the pack. It also will separate your team from the pack