Thanks Carol,

I might be a blog behind but I think Pronman's take was probably pretty good.

I won't post the entire piece but essentially he is saying while Pettersson is clearly an elite player, the players he is being compared all left the SHL a year or two earlier and accomplished what they did at a younger age. All are considered under 20 but this quote puts it in more context.



Everyone should be excited about EP but at the same time expectations should be tempered. I was one of the few in here suggesting Boeser play in the AHL to start the season and was wrong, but I'll make the same suggestion for EP at this point.
- belcherbd

Pronman hates Pettersson.

I disagree, Sedins are ranked 3/4 in 5v5 scoring and 8/10 ice time per game.

PP points have helped them look respectable this year but that is no different than you any other point producer in the league. They definitely are getting favourable zone starts but lots of players have on this team previously and not put up the points.

Like it or not they are still tip players for this team.
- belcherbd

That's because they have zero competition.

Pronman hates Pettersson.
- Marwood

Yeah, I think it's a case for him underrating him last year and now trying to convince himself that he wasn't wrong lol. I'd have more respect for him if he ranked him where he should've been ranked and admitted it. I don't think he hates the Canucks. He liked the Juolevi pick and I remember him saying the Lockwood pick was solid.


He says that Backstrom is the last comparable player due to age.

Backstrom put up 40 points in 45 games
Pettersson put up 56 points in 44 games

Backstrom played on a worse team, but I don't think that makes up for those 16 points in one less game lol. And even if EP becomes Backstrom 2.0, that's a #1 C lol.

He really has no argument for not ranking EP higher.

Yeah, I think it's a case for him underrating him last year and now trying to convince himself that he wasn't wrong lol. I'd have more respect for him if he ranked him where he should've been ranked and admitted it. I don't think he hates the Canucks. He liked the Juolevi pick and I remember him saying the Lockwood pick was solid.


He says that Backstrom is the last comparable player due to age.

Backstrom put up 40 points in 45 games
Pettersson put up 56 points in 44 games

Backstrom played on a worse team, but I don't think that makes up for those 16 points in one less game lol. And even if EP becomes Backstrom 2.0, that's a #1 C lol.
- Nucker101

Yup, he runs Pettersson into the ground everytime I here him speak on him. He'll probably be a new host on TSN1040 next season.

That’s your opinion, but I believe that if you gave other players the same opportunity as Henrik and Daniel they would have similar results. Boeser is a good example of best case scenario. My point is that even a “decent” case scenario sees someone doing what the twins have done, and someone else doing what the player who replaced the Sedins, and so on and so on.
- 1970vintage

How long did it take us to get one in Boeser?

lol the players never tank unless it's the ones who know they're safe(star players or NTC). Most of these guys are playing for jobs next year.


They just suck.
- Nucker101

I just don;t know.... they can play hard against LA but not Ott,Phx,Buf......

I know the argument is they are playing for a spot.... that's a solid argument but I think they can easily be told which games count for next year and which ones they can play far looser and avoid....umm... success.

I honestly thought if it was still scoreless going into the third, the Canucks would have scored on themselves.

Yup, he runs Pettersson into the ground everytime I here him speak on him. He'll probably be a new host on TSN1040 next season.
- Marwood

That's fine. But you're forgetting to include the absurd amount of goals they've been on the ice for at 5v5 despite getting those zone starts.


I agree that they're still valuable on the PP. Hell, they'd look great on a lot of playoff teams' 2nd PP units who suck.

the issue is that they're a mess defensively at 5v5 these days.
- Nucker101

They definitely are getting abused defensively and I'll haven't looked at their goals against but is it massively worse than other of our top 6 players?

Pronman hates Pettersson.
- Marwood

Me too obviously.

I just don;t know.... they can play hard against LA but not Ott,Phx,Buf......

I know the argument is they are playing for a spot.... that's a solid argument but I think they can easily be told which games count for next year and which ones they can play far looser and avoid....umm... success.

I honestly thought if it was still scoreless going into the third, the Canucks would have scored on themselves.
- Beatle_john

Me too obviously.
- belcherbd

Nucker is correct, Pronman doesn't have a leg to stand on. He should admit he was wrong and move on.

Who does Virtanen have to DM to get some (frank)ing PP time?

I just don;t know.... they can play hard against LA but not Ott,Phx,Buf......

I know the argument is they are playing for a spot.... that's a solid argument but I think they can easily be told which games count for next year and which ones they can play far looser and avoid....umm... success.

I honestly thought if it was still scoreless going into the third, the Canucks would have scored on themselves.
- Beatle_john

How long did it take us to get one in Boeser?
- belcherbd

If that’s all you read I can’t help you understand. You believe that the twins contribution can’t be replaced, I believe it can.

Nucker is correct, Pronman doesn't have a leg to stand on. He should admit he was wrong and move on.
- CanuckDon

I wasn't aware what his position on EP was before but I still think his point about EP is true.

As incredible as the kid's season has been, people are putting too much stock into the names he is above on the list.

If that’s all you read I can’t help you understand. You believe that the twins contribution can’t be replaced, I believe it can.
- 1970vintage

That's fair and I'm not saying it cannot be replaced or even that I want them back but I do think it will be difficult to replace them and I doubt any of the players we currently have are capable of doing it.

SEDIN'S RUN AT HISTORY.

ALL TIME POINTS

This is the only thing I am still following. Look like the best Henrik could do is 65th but needs to be hot to get there. 64th is Fluery at 1088. Thats too far.


Henrik:

65 Dave Taylor 1069
66 Keith Tkachuk 1065
67 Ray Whitney 1064
68 Joe Mullen 1063
69 Henrik Sedin 1063

Looks like Danny can only make 73rd.

Daniel:

72 Henri Richard 1046
73 Bobby Smith 1036
74 Daniel Sedin 1033

As for all-time Swedish born players:

They seem to be locked in 4th and 5th

1 Mats Sundin 1349
2 D. Alfredsson 1157
3 Nicklas Lidström 1142
4 Henrik Sedin 1063
5 Daniel Sedin 1033

Me too obviously.
- belcherbd

That's fair and I'm not saying it cannot be replaced or even that I want them back but I do think it will be difficult to replace them and I doubt any of the players we currently have are capable of doing it.
- belcherbd

You don't think Boeser and Horvat can generate more offense than the Sedin's with their ridiculous zone starts? I want the team to keeps some vets around to shelter the prospects but not vets that need to be sheltered themselves. Hopefully they do the right thing and retire.

You don't think Boeser and Horvat can generate more offense than the Sedin's with their ridiculous zone starts? I want the team to keeps some vets around to shelter the prospects but not vets that need to be sheltered themselves. Hopefully they do the right thing and retire.
- CanuckDon

You don't think Boeser and Horvat can generate more offense than the Sedin's with their ridiculous zone starts? I want the team to keeps some vets around to shelter the prospects but not vets that need to be sheltered themselves. Hopefully they do the right thing and retire.
- CanuckDon

I am really of two minds here. I would like the Sedins to stay but only if they are the best players. And it seems to me that they will be.

I would however like to see a giant anvil dropped mysteriously on Ekisson and Ganger.

That's fair and I'm not saying it cannot be replaced or even that I want them back but I do think it will be difficult to replace them and I doubt any of the players we currently have are capable of doing it.
- belcherbd

My issue with them coming back is management. Management will feel that they owe the twins an opportunity to compete, and we’ll see more Gagne, more Vanek, more Sutter etc.

As far as who can replace those points? If you stuck with it Baertschi could be a 50 point player, and make us just as angry about his play. Gagne is another guy who makes terrible decisions in his own end, but could thrive on PP1. Would the team be better? No, probably not. But is being better the most important goal for next season?

If that’s all you read I can’t help you understand. You believe that the twins contribution can’t be replaced, I believe it can.
- 1970vintage

Is there not an argument that Petterrsseenn (Sorry, I will learn the spelling soon) would have an advantage having D & H around?

I know that is hard to find on paper but just having someone to talk to on off days may be a fantastic intangible.

My issue with them coming back is management. Management will feel that they owe the twins an opportunity to compete, and we’ll see more Gagne, more Vanek, more Sutter etc.

As far as who can replace those points? If you stuck with it Baertschi could be a 50 point player, and make us just as angry about his play. Gagne is another guy who makes terrible decisions in his own end, but could thrive on PP1. Would the team be better? No, probably not. But is being better the most important goal for next season?
- 1970vintage

yes, playoffs

My issue with them coming back is management. Management will feel that they owe the twins an opportunity to compete, and we’ll see more Gagne, more Vanek, more Sutter etc.

As far as who can replace those points? If you stuck with it Baertschi could be a 50 point player, and make us just as angry about his play. Gagne is another guy who makes terrible decisions in his own end, but could thrive on PP1. Would the team be better? No, probably not. But is being better the most important goal for next season?
- 1970vintage

At a good price, we might see Vanek back here. He will not resign in Columbus. He is the poster-child for a non-Torts player.