I'm really missing the "Actually, trading for others teams expendable prospects is a great idea to build a winner" people.

They're the same ones that were "Baertschi and Granlund are amazing (frank)ing trades. Those guys rules and Benning is a genius for pulling those off" but are now "Thank goodness Benning robbed Motte and Leipsic from other teams. Allows us to move on from Baertschi and Granlund, neither of which are any good and were only necessary because Gillis gave Hamhuis an NTC."
- Lindenis#1

Baerschi was not a bad deal. a 40-50 pt player is generally what you hope a 2nd round to be, even a high one. and Granlund currently holds a poop ton more value than Shinkaruk. So realistically they were good trades.

Baerschi was not a bad deal. a 40-50 pt player is generally what you hope a 2nd round to be, even a high one. and Granlund currently holds a poop ton more value than Shinkaruk. So realistically they were good trades.
- Retinalz

They're both fine trades, especially in a vacuum.

But its the big picture of all these tweener trades that just doesn't compute.

Baerschi was not a bad deal. a 40-50 pt player is generally what you hope a 2nd round to be, even a high one. and Granlund currently holds a poop ton more value than Shinkaruk. So realistically they were good trades.
- Retinalz

Don't tell Benning that, he'll sign him to a 6 year $15 mil contract.

Don't tell Benning that, he'll sign him to a 6 year $15 mil contract.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Also Granlund isn't much more than a 3rd liner on his best nights. Finding a 3rd liner isn't a crowning achievement.

Also Granlund isn't much more than a 3rd liner on his best nights. Finding a 3rd liner isn't a crowning achievement.
- Lindenis#1

What about finding 8 of them?

What about finding 8 of them?
- A_SteamingLombardi

If they were all 3rd liners then losing third liners to injury wouldn't be touted as a big deal every time the team sucks.

"we lost our 9th best forward. hard to recover from injuries like that"

Also Granlund isn't much more than a 3rd liner on his best nights. Finding a 3rd liner isn't a crowning achievement.
- Lindenis#1

Your right, but trading an AHL lifer for a 3rd liner is a really good deal. TBH Granlund is a perfect place holder for our 3rd line and Baerschi is for our 2nd. We need to upgrade them, but they work for the job we need them for.

What about finding 8 of them?
- A_SteamingLombardi

lol - excellent. I cracked up at this. I think you are about 2 short, though....

Your right, but trading an AHL lifer for a 3rd liner is a really good deal. TBH Granlund is a perfect place holder for our 3rd line and Baerschi is for our 2nd. We need to upgrade them, but they work for the job we need them for.
- Retinalz

Being warm bodies?

They're both fine trades, especially in a vacuum.

But its the big picture of all these tweener trades that just doesn't compute.
- Lindenis#1

Compare the team's record with Baertschi and Granlund both in the lineup earlier in the year to now with them both out injured. This is a pretty good indication of how the team would look all season if Benning hadn't made those trades. They'd have Shinkaruk in the minors along with whoever they took with that 2nd round pick. Probably another Gagner-type UFA signing or two on the roster.

If they played a whole season the way they're playing right now, how long before Boeser, Horvat, Stecher, Virtanen and others have completely checked out mentally on competing. You'd permanently ruin at least a couple of those guys.

This is not intended as an endorsement of Benning and all his moves, but I believe it's probably what he was thinking when he decided to fill in the age-gap.

Being warm bodies?
- Lindenis#1

being good 3rd/2nd line players that will give better players time to develop properly.

Being warm bodies?
- Lindenis#1

Spending to the cap

being good 3rd/2nd line players that will give better players time to develop properly.
- Retinalz

So a warm body?

As fascinating as it is to rehash the old Benning arguments....Dahlen with another huge game. 3 points today and 7 in 3 playoff games. Kid is clutch and I can't wait to see what he can do in NA Thank you Burrows

Compare the team's record with Baertschi and Granlund both in the lineup earlier in the year to now with them both out injured. This is a pretty good indication of how the team would look all season if Benning hadn't made those trades. They'd have Shinkaruk in the minors along with whoever they took with that 2nd round pick. Probably another Gagner-type UFA signing or two on the roster.

If they played a whole season the way they're playing right now, how long before Boeser, Horvat, Stecher, Virtanen and others have completely checked out mentally on competing. You'd permanently ruin at least a couple of those guys.

This is not intended as an endorsement of Benning and all his moves, but I believe it's probably what he was thinking when he decided to fill in the age-gap.
- YeOldTimer

I’m guessing Horvat’s injury before and Boeser’s current injury will skew those numbers.

Granlund has sucked this year. Sven has been decent.

And by filling in this age gap, he’s hurting the team’s future depth since he’s trading away picks for these guys. I’m fine with trading away Subban and Shinkaruk, but why would a draft guru trade away picks for other team’s scraps?

He should value picks higher than other GM’s do.

As fascinating as it is to rehash the old Benning arguments....Dahlen with another huge game. 3 points today and 7 in 3 playoff games. Kid is clutch and I can't wait to see what he can do in NA Thank you Burrows
- CanuckDon

He’s more tenacious and less soft than I expected.

What about finding 8 of them?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Retooling on the fly while staying competitive?

So a warm body?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Chaput and Megna are warm bodies. baerschi and granlund actually serve a purpose and can contribute to us trying to be a good team. So they are more than just warm bodies. They are legit NHL calibre players.

I just read Daniel is at 391 goals for his career, is that right? They're definitely coming back next year so he can get to 400
- LeftCoaster

He could probably hit 425 on a good team

Compare the team's record with Baertschi and Granlund both in the lineup earlier in the year to now with them both out injured. This is a pretty good indication of how the team would look all season if Benning hadn't made those trades. They'd have Shinkaruk in the minors along with whoever they took with that 2nd round pick. Probably another Gagner-type UFA signing or two on the roster.

If they played a whole season the way they're playing right now, how long before Boeser, Horvat, Stecher, Virtanen and others have completely checked out mentally on competing. You'd permanently ruin at least a couple of those guys.

This is not intended as an endorsement of Benning and all his moves, but I believe it's probably what he was thinking when he decided to fill in the age-gap.
- YeOldTimer

Boeser and Horvat are the only two forwards who can drive the bus on this team. Player injured/healthy records have proven to mean absolutely nothing outside of elite players.

This team has the worst record league wide since 2015. Watching Baertschi back check and Granlund skate without falling over isn't stopping those guys from checking out mentally and getting "ruined". Their own internal motor is. You can't teach that. If you could, then MDZ's apparent tireless work ethic would have rubbed off on both Hutton and Pouliot. Goldobin would have learned to get it out of first gear looking across at the Twins or Horvat.

A cookie for anyone who understands this reference
https://youtu.be/CBXeE-FvR7g

8 lbs 6 oz beautiful little girl
- LeftCoaster

That was three days in labor

Congrats

Chaput and Megna are warm bodies. baerschi and granlund actually serve a purpose and can contribute to us trying to be a good team. So they are more than just warm bodies. They are legit NHL calibre players.
- Retinalz

Well then I hope Benning can get something for them when it's time to move on from them.

Well then I hope Benning can get something for them when it's time to move on from them.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I think we can move one of them this off season.

Your right, but trading an AHL lifer for a 3rd liner is a really good deal. TBH Granlund is a perfect place holder for our 3rd line and Baerschi is for our 2nd. We need to upgrade them, but they work for the job we need them for.
- Retinalz

Granlund is a proven middle-six winger with 200+ games of experience who's reasonably responsible in his own end, kills penalties and has enough skill to play up the line-up when needed. He’s a known commodity and not a project, but still young and approaching his prime.

He is an RFA this year but he won't have much leverage to get a large payday. If the Canucks can sign him to a multi-year deal at a reasonable cap-hit, he becomes an attractive complementary player for a contender. He might appeal to a team who has a logjam of talent in their system, is starting to get into cap trouble and wants a young vet with cost-certainty.

Even though he’s not a player we’re all that excited about now, he’s an asset that could soon be used to acquire one within a year or two. It would have been riskier and an even longer more painful wait for Benning not to trade away a few of his early draft picks to make some of these tweener deals.