Reinhart with another point?

Even though u don’t post about Corsi stats anymore bc everyone rips u for it...
i know you’re a big proponent of “possession”

Winning the faceoff gives you possession
Does it not?

Also...
pretty damn hard to score if u don’t have the puck

It’s not rocket science
- jdfitz77

No. Not clear possession. Not all the time.

Situations can make them important.

Being good at them does nothing in the win column long term. That’s not a debate it’s a fact

I think there are number instances where faceoffs are lost and the team gains possession. It's more of a team thing
- Sabresfan-365

Of course that happens...
but that’s not the norm

Of course that happens...
but that’s not the norm
- jdfitz77

i dunno, strictly based on the eye test it looks pretty even. There are also a number of cases where the team wins the faceoff but can't do anything with it.

Of course that happens...
but that’s not the norm
- jdfitz77

It’s actually more of the norm than you are admitting.

Reinhart with another point?
- Stripes77

he got the secondary on Benoit's goal but that pass was primary and a half.

Edit: oh you meant the last one lol, I thought they were going unassisted cause it bounced around the crease so much

No. Not clear possession. Not all the time.

Situations can make them important.

Being good at them does nothing in the win column long term. That’s not a debate it’s a fact
- sbroads24

No... but MOST of the time it does

i dunno, strictly based on the eye test it looks pretty even. There are also a number of cases where the team wins the faceoff but can't do anything with it.
- Sabresfan-365

Winning a d zone faceoff 5 on 5 leads to bad clearing attempts, turnovers etc.

I think Fitz is under this assumption that I’ve made up this opinion strictly to bash O’Reilly, and not because I read articles on this 3-4 years ago

No... but MOST of the time it does
- jdfitz77

No. Not most.

he got the secondary on Benoit's goal but that pass was primary and a half.

Edit: oh you meant the last one lol, I thought they were going unassisted cause it bounced around the crease so much
- Sabresfan-365

Looks like they gave him another

28 points in 27 games

Winning a d zone faceoff 5 on 5 leads to bad clearing attempts, turnovers etc.

I think Fitz is under this assumption that I’ve made up this opinion strictly to bash O’Reilly, and not because I read articles on this 3-4 years ago
- sbroads24

all ill say with ROR is that if the first thing people bring up about you is your faceoff abilities, you're probably not worth 7.5 mil

Lol
And Risto is “barely a #4”
Hahahahaha
- jdfitz77

“There’s no way Boston is better than us this year”
“Reinhart will be a 55-60 point 3rd line center”

Looks like they gave him another

28 points in 27 games
- Stripes77

Part of me still thinks this is a golden sell high opportunity

No. Not clear possession. Not all the time.

Situations can make them important.

Being good at them does nothing in the win column long term. That’s not a debate it’s a fact
- sbroads24

Well obviously u need to be good at a bunch of other factors as well to win consistently

Faceoffs are just ONE thing that HELPS

You could be a team who’s got great Corsi numbers, but isn’t a very good team bc their goaltending blows

What u do with faceoffs...
u can also do with any stat really

Bc there isn’t ONE thing that directly correlates to winning & losing (except scoring)

“There’s no way Boston is better than us this year”
“Reinhart will be a 55-60 point 3rd line center”
- sbroads24

That looked like barely top 4 d right there

Well obviously u need to be good at a bunch of other factors as well to win consistently

Faceoffs are just ONE thing that HELPS

You could be a team who’s got great Corsi numbers, but isn’t a very good team bc their goaltending blows

What u do with faceoffs...
u can also do with any stat really

Bc there isn’t ONE thing that directly correlates to winning & losing (except scoring)
- jdfitz77

Yeah except scoring chances, shots, shot suppression is infinitely more important than faceoffs.

That’s the point

i dunno, strictly based on the eye test it looks pretty even. There are also a number of cases where the team wins the faceoff but can't do anything with it.
- Sabresfan-365

Of course
Bit would u rather be the team with the puck trying to score...
or the team CHASING the puck trying to get possession?

Seems obvious to me

No. Not most.
- sbroads24

Yes it does

That looked like barely top 4 d right there
- Sabresfan-365

That was just a good shot. No luck involved at all

Of course
Bit would u rather be the team with the puck trying to score...
or the team CHASING the puck trying to get possession?

Seems obvious to me
- jdfitz77

Right but say ROR does that for you 6/10 times, a different guy does that what 5 out of 10 times?

If the difference was 9/10 vs 1/10 then it'd have a major impact.

“There’s no way Boston is better than us this year”
“Reinhart will be a 55-60 point 3rd line center”
- sbroads24

1) NEVER said that

2) said he COULD be

You keep twisting words like u do stats though

Reinhart with another point?
- Stripes77

he (frank)ing STINKS he's only good cuz his contract is up!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111

all ill say with ROR is that if the first thing people bring up about you is your faceoff abilities, you're probably not worth 7.5 mil
- Sabresfan-365

Well ALL the NHL PLAYERS who voted him the 5th most underrated player must know less then you & Sbroads then...
right?

Right but say ROR does that for you 6/10 times, a different guy does that what 5 out of 10 times?

If the difference was 9/10 vs 1/10 then it'd have a major impact.
- Sabresfan-365

All i said was that it HELPS

Not that it’s meaningless like Sbroads says

Jared Stoll. Great at faceoffs. Awful possession player. Hmm...

http://www.thehockeynews....-as-theyre-made-out-to-be

“Take Jarret Stoll for example. The 33-year-old was claimed off waivers on Monday by the Minnesota Wild, much to the confusion of the analytics community. But the claim was lauded by many hockey pundits because Stoll is a guy with experience that can win faceoffs. And they’re right about that. He was on a Kings team that won two Stanley Cups and is tied for seventh in faceoff percentage with Paul Stastny at 57.9 percent among players who’ve taken 100 or more faceoffs this year. He’s also been a 55 percent guy for most of his career. The problem is that Stoll has been one of the league’s worst possession players this season. With Stoll on the ice the Rangers get just 40 percent of the shot attempts which is 9.5 percent worse than when he’s on the bench. That’s the 11th worst mark in the league among players who’ve played 20 or more games. ”