https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1679840-best-nfl-qbs-the-big-12-has-produced.amp.html
- gerbe75pts

You need to get over what conference these guys played in

If that is your basis for an argument it's a terrible one.

The Super Bowl winning coach went against conventional coaching wisdom in key parts of the game and went for it on 4th down.

We all know what the charts say (hint it says go for it) but 95% of the coaches in the league would have punted.

Be a visionary, go against conventional thinking if that's what you truly believe is the best thing to do.

I mean yeah but you also have a better chance of busting out and completely setting back the franchise.

Imagine if Washington didn't pay an arm and a leg for RG3 and just went with Cousins instead in the 3rd round and used those picks to give him some freaking help.

Derek Carr
Russell Wilson
Aaron Rodgers
Kirk Cousins
Drew Brees
Dak Prescott
Jimmy G
Big Ben
Deshaun Watson


All guys drafted after the top 10 that Bills fans would be extremely happy to have as their QB
- Stripes77

It’s so easy we should do it ....

Oh wait nvm

You're also leaving out Manning, Manning and Rivers 1, 1, and 4 respectively.

Matt Ryan was 3, Stafford was 1, Newton 1, Luck 1, And if you're going to list Carr, you have to list Bortles at 3 who has more yards on less completions and has actually won playoff games.
- Wetbandit1

The entire point of my post was QB's not taken in the top 10

Why would I list those guys who were taken in the top 10?

Do you want me to list QBs who were taken in the top 10 and we busts?

Bortles won 1 playoff game being a QB (Pittsburgh game) he also won 1 game having more rushing yards than passing (Buffalo game)

He isn't a QB that Bills fans would be happy about having

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1679840-best-nfl-qbs-the-big-12-has-produced.amp.html
- gerbe75pts

Whether or not the big12 has produced good QBs in the PAST...

Has ABSOLUTELY ZERO effect on whether or not Mayfield &/or Rudolph will be good QBs

Would u not pick Rosen bc UCLA hasn’t produced a great QB since Aikman?
Would u pass on Darnold bc USC hasn’t produced a good QB since Carson Palmer?

I’m not worried about any of that at all

It’s so easy we should do it ....

Oh wait nvm
- gerbe75pts

It's not about trading up to get a guy, it's about drafting the right guy, and not stop drafting QBs until you have the right guy.

You need to get over what conference these guys played in

If that is your basis for an argument it's a terrible one.

The Super Bowl winning coach went against conventional coaching wisdom in key parts of the game and went for it on 4th down.

We all know what the charts say (hint it says go for it) but 95% of the coaches in the league would have punted.

Be a visionary, go against conventional thinking if that's what you truly believe is the best thing to do.
- Stripes77

History shows ..

don’t do it

Whether or not the big12 has produced good QBs in the PAST...

Has ABSOLUTELY ZERO effect on whether or not Mayfield &/or Rudolph will be good QBs

Would u not pick Rosen bc UCLA hasn’t produced a great QB since Aikman?
Would u pass on Darnold bc USC hasn’t produced a good QB since Carson Palmer?

I’m not worried about any of that at all
- jdfitz77

I can't handle 6 weeks of listening to him whine about this

Like the Redskins did when they moved up for RG3

Like they almost knew he had bust potential and drafted Cousins that same year in the 3rd round (and lost him for nothing mind you)

Take a guy at 12 take a guy at 65 too while you're at it
- Stripes77

Would u say that Philly & the Rams should’ve stood pat and not traded up as well?
I doubt it

It's not about trading up to get a guy, it's about drafting the right guy, and not stop drafting QBs until you have the right guy.
- Stripes77

My 2 cents:

If they can get Jackson at 12, I say do it. If not, trade that pick for a later first this year and another next year, and take a QB next year after sucking big time this year.

Whether or not the big12 has produced good QBs in the PAST...

Has ABSOLUTELY ZERO effect on whether or not Mayfield &/or Rudolph will be good QBs

Would u not pick Rosen bc UCLA hasn’t produced a great QB since Aikman?
Would u pass on Darnold bc USC hasn’t produced a good QB since Carson Palmer?

I’m not worried about any of that at all
- jdfitz77

I love Sam I think he’s going to be the best quarterback in the draft the Connor McDavid

Rosen- Jack Eichel

I just look at the history of the big 12 and how they have been produced quarterbacks

It’s just my opinion Of course

History shows ..

don’t do it
- gerbe75pts

Actually history shows do not give up your future to trade up to get a QB

It has worked how many times?

1 (and he wasn't even playing in the playoffs due to injury)

If you're in position to draft high do it and take your QB

But don't mortgage your future on 1 guy because in the NFL it doesn't work

The entire point of my post was QB's not taken in the top 10

Why would I list those guys who were taken in the top 10?

Do you want me to list QBs who were taken in the top 10 and we busts?

Bortles won 1 playoff game being a QB (Pittsburgh game) he also won 1 game having more rushing yards than passing (Buffalo game)

He isn't a QB that Bills fans would be happy about having
- Stripes77

I know, you're saying they don't need to go up and draft one because there are guys outside, and that's absolutely true, but as a group I'd rather have the guys I listed, minus Bortles(I only added him because you added Carr, who IMO isn't as good as his rep).

I can't handle 6 weeks of listening to him whine about this
- Stripes77

All of us are gonna be pretty tough to listen to

I really don’t know what we should do

Pros/Cons to standing pat and moving up

I just definitely DO NOT want anything to do with Allen or Jackson
HUGE bust potential for those guys

And i don’t like Darnold’s mechanics,
but that’s fixable

I love Sam I think he’s going to be the best quarterback in the draft the Connor McDavid

Rosen- Jack Eichel

I just look at the history of the big 12 and how they have been produced quarterbacks

It’s just my opinion Of course
- gerbe75pts

So why are u willing to ignore the past couple decades where UCLA & USC haven’t produced QBs?

Oh, hey, sorry, I meant to respond the other day. I'm good. It's not very fun playing with people who collude with each other.
- Wetbandit1

Cj isn't joining

Would u say that Philly & the Rams should’ve stood pat and not traded up as well?
I doubt it
- jdfitz77

Did the Rams win?

Philly won without Wentz

Until Wentz wins while actually playing he would be the 1st QB that a team has traded up to the top 5 that has won a Super Bowl...

I am not counting Elway or Eli here since the teams that drafted him traded him for players drafted in the top 5 that year

My 2 cents:

If they can get Jackson at 12, I say do it. If not, trade that pick for a later first this year and another next year, and take a QB next year after sucking big time this year.
- jcragcrumple

Huge, huge BUST potential
The guy is inaccurate and a poor decision maker

His athleticism could counter that in college,
but can it in the NFL?
He’s a really big risk
I wouldn’t wanna do it

Huge, huge BUST potential
The guy is inaccurate and a poor decision maker

His athleticism could counter that in college,
but can it in the NFL?
He’s a really big risk
I wouldn’t wanna do it
- jdfitz77

"You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take" - John Scott, I think.

They should be taking a QB in rounds 1 or 2 until they find a QB imo.

6 picks in the first 3 rounds fills a lot of holes

1 qb
2 o linemen
1 wr
1 lb
1 cb

"You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take" - John Scott, I think.

They should be taking a QB in rounds 1 or 2 until they find a QB imo.
- jcragcrumple

probably

Did the Rams win?

Philly won without Wentz

Until Wentz wins while actually playing he would be the 1st QB that a team has traded up to the top 5 that has won a Super Bowl...

I am not counting Elway or Eli here since the teams that drafted him traded him for players drafted in the top 5 that year
- Stripes77

Winning a Super Bowl is a team effort

If you’re a Rams or a Philly fan,
are u happy that u traded all those picks for Wentz & Goff

That answer is YES
Unequivocally yes

Winning a Super Bowl is a team effort

If you’re a Rams or a Philly fan,
are u happy that u traded all those picks for Wentz & Goff

That answer is YES
Unequivocally yes
- jdfitz77

Sure it is, even more of a reason to not give away future picks for a guy that might be

Literally no QB that a team has traded up for in the top 5 of the draft has won a Super Bowl for that team (while playing, I think Wentz would have gotten it done though so he would have been there 1st ever)

Junior wants to talk history, there is his history.

"You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take" - John Scott, I think.

They should be taking a QB in rounds 1 or 2 until they find a QB imo.
- jcragcrumple

That doesn’t mean u pick any QB just to pick one
That would be dumb

And that was actually a Gretzky quote,
but u got it wrong
U can’t “miss” a shot u don’t take

Schopp just got schooled by a caller...
please tell me it was one of u guys!

That doesn’t mean u pick any QB just to pick one
That would be dumb

And that was actually a Gretzky quote,
but u got it wrong
U can’t “miss” a shot u don’t take
- jdfitz77

I was just joking around, but I'd rather they be wrong than never try