I’m about to watch Krypton
Did u check it out yet?
- jdfitz77

My friends said it sucked ...

But I'm still going to watch

I think he would be better served on this team, playing the wing and helping a young center find his game.

Let him take the draws, but let someone else create the plays because right now it's not working
- homiedclown

All this makes a hell of a lot more sense than blaming him for us being 31st

If we did something next year like
O’Reilly-Mittelstadt-Reinhart
maybe that works well towards your point

Sam has looked A LOT better since he started playing on O’Reilly’s wing though
Seems like you’re discounting that

He's always been good
- gerbe75pts

Never this good

All this makes a hell of a lot more sense than blaming him for us being 31st

If we did something next year like
O’Reilly-Mittelstadt-Reinhart
maybe that works well towards your point

Sam has looked A LOT better since he started playing on O’Reilly’s wing though
Seems like you’re discounting that
- jdfitz77

Sam was doing it once kane got dumped to the 3rd line, I think

My friends said it sucked ...

But I'm still going to watch
- gerbe75pts

Seems like a cool idea at least
Hopefully it’s good

I’m not the comic book nerd u are though
When the story get changed here n there it doesn’t bug me like it does you

Although,
I don’t believe there’s been a whole lot written about Krypton
So it gives them more freedom to creat a story that won’t piss off all the hardcore fans

Never this good
- chilliard77

are you talking about the watermelon or the chicken feet?

one more reason to move him to the wing, and take the face offs
- homiedclown

What about the defensive zone though?
That why a lot of young centers get moved to the wing to start...
Bc they can’t handle the def zone assignments

Offense tends to be pretty fluid
Idk that it matter a ton if someone is a center or winger in the O zone bc they all move around so much
At least they should

I do get where you’re coming from though
ROR is never gonna be Jumbo Joe like in being that type of playmaker for his wingers
It’s just not his game

I just think its strange that all of the sudden the avs become really good when Matt Duchene and Ryan O'Reilly are gone
- gerbe75pts

Yeah that's not what happened .....

Take a deep breath.

You've been arguing that 58% dzone starts is extreme defensive utilization and hurting his corsi. These are all relative stats. The cumulative numbers are irrelevant to them.
- Lunaion

I’ve been arguing that O’Reilly is heavily used defensively and that has an effect on his offensive play

I have said defensive zone starts A LOT
I haven’t said %

Just list the numbers

Percentages DO NOT tell how much more O’Reilly is used in the defensive end than our other centers

The cumulative numbers do
So just list them
Or admit I’m right that he’s used more than our other guys
Bc that’s my point

PS...
go look at the line u quoted me on

Take a deep breath.

You've been arguing that 58% dzone starts is extreme defensive utilization and hurting his corsi. These are all relative stats. The cumulative numbers are irrelevant to them.
- Lunaion

And i never said anything about RORs Corsi either
The only thing i say about Corsi is that it’s a BS stat

You’re just making crap up at this point
Nice job trolling i guess

Here... I’ll spell it out as simply as i can...

ROR is used in our own end A LOT
It’s my belief,
that limits his offense
It’s also my belief,
it wears on him as d-zone minutes tend to be tougher than o-zone minutes

The cumulative effect of how much time ROR spends in our own zone adds up imo

Again...
I’ll wait for u to list the staggering difference in the number of def zone faceoffs ROR takes compared to our other centers

I’ve been arguing that O’Reilly is heavily used defensively and that has an effect on his offensive play

I have said defensive zone starts A LOT
I haven’t said %

Just list the numbers

Percentages DO NOT tell how much more O’Reilly is used in the defensive end than our other centers

The cumulative numbers do
So just list them
Or admit I’m right that he’s used more than our other guys
Bc that’s my point

PS...
go look at the line u quoted me on
- jdfitz77

It's funny to me that you think I'll do any of this for you.

58% dzone, 42%ozone represents exactly how he's utilized by this team.

It's funny to me that you think I'll do any of this for you.

58% dzone, 42%ozone represents exactly how he's utilized by this team.
- Lunaion

I guess it’s tough for u to admit you’re wrong
Don’t worry,
Maybe Bulldog will agree with you

You love to exaggerate this. RoR has 58% defensive starts. That's far from extreme. Larsson has 68%, that's extreme.
- Lunaion

So Larsson has more starts in his own end than O’Reilly?

No, he doesn’t

Still waiting for those numbers...

It's funny to me that you think I'll do any of this for you.

58% dzone, 42%ozone represents exactly how he's utilized by this team.
- Lunaion

You win... I’ll do it...

https://www.puckbase.com/...tion=ev&season=2&zone=def

560 defensive zone faceoffs for O’Reilly
Or about 8 per game

148 for Larsson, or about 2 per game

So O’Reilly is used 4xs MORE in our own end than Larsson

Yeah, I’d say that’s significant

I guess you don’t win after all...
sucker

So Larsson has more starts in his own end than O’Reilly?

No, he doesn’t

Still waiting for those numbers...
- jdfitz77

Look them up if you want them.

This is all rather pointless. 58% dzone isn't extreme. RoR plays too much, that's really the cruxt of your point.

Look them up if you want them.

This is all rather pointless. 58% dzone isn't extreme. RoR plays too much, that's really the cruxt of your point.
- Lunaion

See above post

ROR starts in our own end 8xs per game compared to Larsson’s 2xs

That’s a HUGE disparity

That total amount is what’s important here, NOT the %

It’s shows how often ROR has to go out & start in our own end all the damn time!
That’s MY POINT

Look them up if you want them.

This is all rather pointless. 58% dzone isn't extreme. RoR plays too much, that's really the cruxt of your point.
- Lunaion

I’m not saying ROR gets a huge number of defensive zone time compared to his offensive zone time...

I’m saying he gets a huge amount of defensive zone time compared to the rest of our team!

Get it now?

560 d-zone draws out of 1,167 for the entire team

O’Reilly takes 48% of our defensive zone draws

I bet that’s easily the highest % compared to players on other teams in the league

It’s shows how often ROR has to go out & start in our own end
That’s MY POINT
- jdfitz77

and it's 58% of his zone starts, that's my point

I’m not saying ROR gets a huge number of defensive zone time compared to his offensive zone time...

I’m saying he gets a huge amount of defensive zone time compared to the rest of our team!

Get it now?

560 d-zone draws out of 1,167 for the entire team

O’Reilly takes 48% of our defensive zone draws

I bet that’s easily the highest % compared to players on other teams in the league
- jdfitz77

Ryan O’Reilly has the 21st most O zone starts of ant center in the league

That’s total. Not percent

O’Reilly takes 7.9 def zone draws per game
Winning 65.7%
Next highest is Eichel at 3.0 per (39.5%)
Larsson takes 2.1 per (52.0%)

(Maybe we should actually let Larsson take more draws? But the more he takes his % is also likely to go down)


That probably doesn’t sound like a lot,
so for perspective...

Boston
Bergeron, 4.5 57.6%
Nash 3.5
Karaly, 3.1
Krejci, 3.0

Anaheim
Vermette, 5.5 58.8%
Kesler, 5.1
Getzlaf, 3.9
Henrique, 3.3

Chicago
Toews, 4.2 55.6%
Kampf, 3.9
Anisimov, 3.5
Wingles, 2.4

Los Angeles
Kopitar, 5.5 53.3%
Shore, 4.2
Mitchell, 3.0
Kempe, 1.2

Pittsburgh
Sheahan, 4.9 59.0%
Crosby, 4.8
Malkin, 3.0
Rowny. 2.4


What’s my point to this?
Not only is O’Reilly WAY MORE heavily used in our own end than other team’s centers...
he still wins a CRAZY number of faceoffs,
vs other teams top offensive centers

That gets the puck to our defensemen,
and gives them a chance to start moving the puck up the ice

Yeah, yeah...
“but we suck anyways”

Well, to that I’d say...
once we have defensemen that can actually move the puck up the damn ice,
then you’ll get more results from the FAR AND AWAY best faceoff man in his own end in the NHL

You build around that guy IMO

He looks 32 bc he’s out there so damn much
Get him some help taking these defensive zone minutes,
and I’m sure you’ll see more pep in his step

No, he’s not Malkin
But inserting Guhle (& hopefully Dahlin) is gonna help turn those faceoff wins into transitioning offense
And yeah,
that’ll cause RORs point totals to go up

I think these numbers speak loudly

and it's 58% of his zone starts, that's my point
- Lunaion

Doesn’t mean he isn’t used in our zone A LOT

For example...
Larsson is at 68% dzone to ROR at 58%

Yet...
O’Reilly is actually used in our end 4xs MORE than Larsson

Idk how u aren’t getting this
That’s a HUGE difference in the AMOUNT OF TIME O’Reilly spends in our own end

Doesn’t mean he isn’t used in our zone A LOT

For example...
Larsson is at 68% dzone to ROR at 58%

Yet...
O’Reilly is actually used in our end 4xs MORE than Larsson

Idk how u aren’t getting this
That’s a HUGE difference in the AMOUNT OF TIME O’Reilly spends in our own end
- jdfitz77

O’Reilly also wins 65% of his draws in the O zone, which should lead to production, no?

Ryan O’Reilly has the 21st most O zone starts of ant center in the league

That’s total. Not percent
- sbroads24

And where does he rank in defensive zone starts for the other centers?

I’ll bet it’s #1
And I’ll bet it probably isn’t even close

Nowhere in my point did i say O’Reilly wasn’t used offensively
It’s that he’s used TOO MUCH in our own end
Mostly, bc there’s no one else we can trust to take important def zone draws
That wears on a guy

and it's 58% of his zone starts, that's my point
- Lunaion

Your point doesn’t counter mine
It’s apples & oranges

What I’m saying,
is take away some of the times ROR has to go out & play in our own end

Then he’ll look more his age & not “32” like Homie says

It’s not just that he’s overused,
it’s that he’s overused in the toughest situations

Toews is used about half as much in his own end as O’Reilly
Bergeron, Getzlaf, Kopitar... about 40% less

This is all significant
It’s adds up over the course of a game,
and especially over the course of a season

O’Reilly also wins 65% of his draws in the O zone, which should lead to production, no?
- sbroads24

Totally different topic than my point

But to answer your question...
Yes, in theory

However...
there’s 4 other guys on the ice for us
And there’s 5 guys out there for the other team

We are the lowest scoring team in the league
So, when u factor that in...
plus who ROR is playing with...
and that we are generally outmatched by the talent on the other team...

Then i think u can understand why an O’Reilly faceoff win doesn’t lead to as many points as say a Crosby or Malking faceoff win

But again...
Your question has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with my point that O’Reilly is used WAY MORE in our own end than ANY OTHER TEAM uses ANY of their Centermen
And that he wins a crazy amount more faceoffs in our own end than anyone else

Doesn’t that mean we clear the zone & get the puck up the ice & get a scoring chance?
Nope
But it gives us a better chance to clear the zone & start up the ice if we do win the faceoff
That’s just obvious