not if Gaunce has anything to say about it
- Codes1087

Gaunce is our best defensive forward and one of the most physical/heavy without being slow.


I’m starting to think most here don’t even watch the games, just chunks or extended 5 min highlights.

Sedin's are back like it or lump it. also that's still more depth than the other positions
- neem55

😀

He plays in the best developmental league has steadily seen his minutes increase. I'm not sure what you think development is, but that's what he's doing. They did a good job on Gaunce and I like what they are doing with Pettersson, Dahlen, Juolevi, chatffield and Demko. I just hope they err on the side of keeping them developing and not on the side of rushing them in (which they've done with about 6 young guys, 2 of which have worked out)
- neem55

I don't agree with Gaunce . He is in his last show me year next year . He needs a big improvement or he will be moved

This is a very hard team to perform with. The top starts are gifted to vet players . It is hard for a player to grow without being given some advantages. Even guys like Loui given a regular spot every game until TDL when they go cheap mode and save his salary by plastering his ass to the press box.

When Jake starts flying a little he gets taken off Bo's line to see if he can jump start the two old guys.

They are doing it right by going all in for last place this year but this team needs an overhaul in the summer
- VANTEL

Agreed. I would be trying to bring in UFA's though. Target guys 28 and under with 50+ games. Refine the list with scouting reports and remake the bottom 6. I'd stay away from big fish, but might give a guy like John Moore 3 mil for 3 years. Fairly similar track record to MDZ, bit better defensively.

Gaunce is our best defensive forward
- Nucker101

According to this article, he may just be the best defensive player in the league.
It is about Sutter, but gives some nice stars about Gaunce.

http://www.vancourier.com...rong-link-game-1.23207548

Gaunce is our best defensive forward


I’m starting to think most here don’t even watch the games, just chunks or extended 5 min highlights.
- Nucker101

Which I do think is pretty valuable in a bottom 6 role. He's chipped in a bit more this year. if he continues to trend up I'll be happy. It certainly isn't just him not producing in the bottom 6.

According to this article, he may just be the best defensive player in the league.
It is about Sutter, but gives some nice stars about Gaunce.

http://www.vancourier.com...rong-link-game-1.23207548
- Reubenkincade

*makes barely above league min*

*gets some of the hardest mins in the league on one of the worst teams in the league*


*somehow manages not to allow many goals or scoring chances against*

(Even if you don’t like +/-, the fact that he’s even in that category is amazing considering usage/team)

“He sucks! Only scores with his butt lolzzz!”

According to this article, he may just be the best defensive player in the league.
It is about Sutter, but gives some nice stars about Gaunce.

http://www.vancourier.com...rong-link-game-1.23207548
- Reubenkincade

the development of players x, y and z is crucial because we don't have enough high end skill. Completely agree. Thanks for the share

A 4th liner who plays the hardest mins on the team and breaks even at 5v5 makes life easier for the entire team.

Allows the coach to give neutral/offensive zone starts to the other 3 lines.

Basically the player is indirectly creating offense for the other 3 lines. If the other 3 lines can’t take advantage of that, then they’re your problem, not the 4th liners.

Not a difficult concept to grasp

*gets some of the hardest mins in the league on one of the worst teams in the league*


*somehow manages not to allow many goals or scoring chances against*

(Even if you don’t like +/-, the fact that he’s even in that category is amazing considering usage/team)

“He sucks! Only scores with his butt lolzzz!”
- Nucker101

If Gaunce can get to 8-12 goals a year he would be ideal. Having proper line mates is a big deal. If Gaunce is playing with Motte and Dowd then we will be hooped and so will he.

Same with Sutter he gets the difficult minutes and yet he is one of the few players that still GAF .

When Sutter played with Dorsett they were a very effective line. Unfortunate for Sutter he gets thrown into second line expectations because the other center can only score 2 goals .

A 4th liner who plays the hardest mins on the team and breaks even at 5v5 makes life easier for the entire team.

Allows the coach to give neutral/offensive zone starts to the other 3 lines.

Basically the player is indirectly creating offense for the other 3 lines. If the other 3 lines can’t take advantage of that, then they’re your problem, not the 4th liners.

Not a difficult concept to grasp
- Nucker101

one of the few young roster players that actually has earned an NHL roster spot IMO. Points aren't everything.

As of today we have around a 1/5 shot at a top3 pick. It's a good day.

Correction 1/3

I just went from 6 to 10 right there

Gaunce is our best defensive forward and one of the most physical/heavy without being slow.


I’m starting to think most here don’t even watch the games, just chunks or extended 5 min highlights.
- Nucker101

Works for prospects. Not NHL players. I agree.

If Gaunce can get to 8-12 goals a year he would be ideal. Having proper line mates is a big deal. If Gaunce is playing with Motte and Dowd then we will be hooped and so will he.

Same with Sutter he gets the difficult minutes and yet he is one of the few players that still GAF .

When Sutter played with Dorsett they were a very effective line. Unfortunate for Sutter he gets thrown into second line expectations because the other center can only score 2 goals .
- VANTEL

How many 4th line players get 8 to 12 goals with only defensive zone starts?

I'll give you a hint, it starts with a z and ends with an o.

As of today we have around a 1/5 shot at a top3 pick. It's a good day.
- neem55

Isn't it something like a 35 % chance of top 3 and 18% of first over all.

I am assuming we finish 31 st . It is destiny

I like when people insist on talking to me when you can't be bothered with them

Just like an ex wife

Isn't it something like a 35 % chance of top 3 and 18% of first over all.

I am assuming we finish 31 st . It is destiny
- VANTEL

I couldn't correct it fast enough 37.5% we get top3

I couldn't correct it fast enough 37.5% we get top3
- neem55

How many 4th line players get 8 to 12 minutes with only defensive zone starts?

I'll give you a hint, it starts with a z and ends with an o.
- Pres.cup

The "make up" of the Canucks forwards right now just isn't right.

Gagner last season his best ever. Played 12 minutes a night with PP time. A 4th line with defensive two bangers, against easier competition. It worked for him and his line mates.

This year he is put into roles with the Sedin's not bangers. Archibald and Sutter, more bangers but Dzone starts more often and against the hardest competition.

Virtanen and Baertschi with him was a bit better. Inexperienced compared to Hartnell.

Just using Gagner as an example of why the roster is wrong.

Sutter doesn't provide enough offence against other teams top lines. The team is also pretty much defending for the entire time Sutter's line is on the ice. Almost 20 minutes a night.

Where the number 1 center is needed to play 50/50 vs the other teams top lines.

If Gaunce can get to 8-12 goals a year he would be ideal. Having proper line mates is a big deal. If Gaunce is playing with Motte and Dowd then we will be hooped and so will he.

Same with Sutter he gets the difficult minutes and yet he is one of the few players that still GAF .

When Sutter played with Dorsett they were a very effective line. Unfortunate for Sutter he gets thrown into second line expectations because the other center can only score 2 goals .
- VANTEL

What about a Center like Paul Stastny coming in for a year or two? A little older but still pretty effective center. About 50/50 zone starts. May have to pay about $6 million per year.

Edit:

Or Trade Granlund, Hutton for Zack Smith +

The "make up" of the Canucks forwards right now just isn't right.

Gagner last season his best ever. Played 12 minutes a night with PP time. A 4th line with defensive two bangers, against easier competition. It worked for him and his line mates.

This year he is put into roles with the Sedin's not bangers. Archibald and Sutter, more bangers but Dzone starts more often and against the hardest competition.

Virtanen and Baertschi with him was a bit better. Inexperienced compared to Hartnell.

Just using Gagner as an example of why the roster is wrong.

Sutter doesn't provide enough offence against other teams top lines. The team is also pretty much defending for the entire time Sutter's line is on the ice. Almost 20 minutes a night.

Where the number 1 center is needed to play 50/50 vs the other teams top lines.
- manvanfan

that is the problem, if they are wearing that stuff incorrectly. i will get my daughter, who is an makeup specialist to verify this.

What about a Center like Paul Stastny coming in for a year or two? A little older but still pretty effective center. About 50/50 zone starts. May have to pay about $6 million per year.

Edit:

Or Trade Granlund, Hutton for Zack Smith +
- manvanfan

I think Statsny will sign in WPG . I don't see him wanting to play here. I don't mind anyone on two years or one that can be traded.

What about a Center like Paul Stastny coming in for a year or two? A little older but still pretty effective center. About 50/50 zone starts. May have to pay about $6 million per year.

Edit:

Or Trade Granlund, Hutton for Zack Smith +
- manvanfan

There's no point in trading Hutton, he likely wouldn't get claimed on waivers at this point. Oh how far all of you Hutton lovers have come hey?

I think Statsny will sign in WPG . I don't see him wanting to play here. I don't mind anyone on two years or one that can be traded.
- VANTEL

Heard he is enjoying his time here(in WPG). Chevy is going to see how he does in the playoffs.

There's no point in trading Hutton, he likely wouldn't get claimed on waivers at this point. Oh how far all of you Hutton lovers have come hey?
- neem55

Hutton started in the right direction but last year and this year have been a spiral downhill . He has let himself go physically and that is where the problem lies today. He has made his money so he is now who GAF.