My comment was more of a general one, not based on one game today. I still see some fans on other sites commenting that he's a defensive dman with a good first pass and comparing him to guys like Hamhuis/Tanev lol.
My comment was more of a general one, not based on one game today. I still see some fans on other sites commenting that he's a defensive dman with a good first pass and comparing him to guys like Hamhuis/Tanev lol. - Nucker101
I think the expectations of being the 5OA has people "lost" for lack of a better word.
Simple fact is D take a much longer time. It's not an unknown thing. At some point, you have to draft a Dman. One that projects to be good. Whether it's a bit of a reach at 5OA or if the team is in the middle and you get a pick in the 8-14 range. If you don't fall in that range and there are better forwards most often the forward is taken.
For the usual poop example. Edmonton, always drafting 1OA. Unless there is a generational D in the draft, probably going to pick the best forward instead.
5 years later Nurse is finally becoming what they thought he would be at 7OA.
I think the expectations of being the 5OA has people "lost" for lack of a better word.
Simple fact is D take a much longer time. It's not an unknown thing. At some point, you have to draft a Dman. One that projects to be good. Whether it's a bit of a reach at 5OA or if the team is in the middle and you get a pick in the 8-14 range. If you don't fall in that range and there are better forwards most often the forward is taken.
For the usual poop example. Edmonton, always drafting 1OA. Unless there is a generational D in the draft, probably going to pick the best forward instead.
5 years later Nurse is finally becoming what they thought he would be at 7OA. - manvanfan
I still don't think Ryan Murray over Yak would have changed much for them. Getting Hall over Gudbranson in that draft is a no brainer. RNH over Larsson you could argue, but being strong at C is just as important as D.
Oilers suck because they had terrible drafting outside of round 1, brought in role player vets who were washed up or not that good, etc. They overestimated and banked on the poop prospects they drafted outside of round 1 and assumed that they would pan out as good support players. Instead they were left with RNH/Hall and a pile of overrated trash for a few years.
I don't think it's crazy to keep drafting forwards with top 5 picks if you feel that they are bpa. But your drafting/scouting in rounds 2-7 should be decent enough to find a few capable dmen.
If your scouting/drafting isn't good enough, then your franchise is screwed anyway.
Super excited for the fact that EP can replace Henrik on the half wall and the 4 defending players on the ice can't man mark the other 4 players because they know Henrik can't score.
I still don't think Ryan Murray over Yak would have changed much for them. Getting Hall over Gudbranson in that draft is a no brainer. RNH over Larsson you could argue, but being strong at C is just as important as D.
Oilers suck because they had terrible drafting outside of round 1, brought in role player vets who were washed up or not that good, etc. They overestimated and banked on the poop prospects they drafted outside of round 1 and assumed that they would pan out as good support players. Instead they were left with RNH/Hall and a pile of overrated trash for a few years.
I don't think it's crazy to keep drafting forwards with top 5 picks if you feel that they are bpa. But your drafting/scouting in rounds 2-7 should be decent enough to find a few capable dmen.
If your scouting/drafting isn't good enough, then your franchise is screwed anyway. - Nucker101
It's not talking the Oilers organization as a whole. It's drafting in the first round and where they were picking. You do need to draft well in other rounds. I'm not denying that.
99% of the time you aren't going to take a better forward to reach for a D. You wouldn't take Hall over Gudbranson.
The Oilers, they got 1st too many times without a generational D at #1.
At some point you need to maybe reach or trade down to get a D.
Just think if Van didn't draft OJ. The D prospect pool best defender would be Brisebois who projects as a 3rd pairing D right now.
Super excited for the fact that EP can replace Henrik on the half wall and the 4 defending players on the ice can't man mark the other 4 players because they know Henrik can't score. - manvanfan
The first unit PP was good when all 4 forwards were healthy lol
Sedins/Boeser/Horvat averaged 10.38 goals per 60 mins of PP time as a unit
The Pens unit of Crosby/Malkin/Kessel has a rate of 10.81
The Bolts unit of Stamkos/Hedman/Kucherov has a rate of 9.77
There's a weird myth among this fanbase that the Sedins/Bo/Boeser aren't a good PP unit lol
The first unit PP was good when all 4 forwards were healthy lol
Sedins/Boeser/Horvat averaged 10.38 goals per 60 mins of PP time as a unit
The Pens unit of Crosby/Malkin/Kessel has a rate of 10.81
The Bolts unit of Stamkos/Hedman/Kucherov has a rate of 9.77 - Nucker101
Imagine what it could be with another threat on the ice.
I didn't say anything was wrong with the unit. I said Henrik on the half wall, poses no threat to score ever. Barely need to defend a guy who isn't a threat to score.
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I still don't think Ryan Murray over Yak would have changed much for them. Getting Hall over Gudbranson in that draft is a no brainer. RNH over Larsson you could argue, but being strong at C is just as important as D.
Oilers suck because they had terrible drafting outside of round 1, brought in role player vets who were washed up or not that good, etc. They overestimated and banked on the poop prospects they drafted outside of round 1 and assumed that they would pan out as good support players. Instead they were left with RNH/Hall and a pile of overrated trash for a few years.
I don't think it's crazy to keep drafting forwards with top 5 picks if you feel that they are bpa. But your drafting/scouting in rounds 2-7 should be decent enough to find a few capable dmen.
If your scouting/drafting isn't good enough, then your franchise is screwed anyway. - Nucker101
At one point the Oilers farm system has like 12 different players who played on the Oil Kings or were related to guys who used to play for the Oilers.
Imagine what it could be with another threat on the ice.
I didn't say anything was wrong with the unit. I said Henrik on the half wall, poses no threat to score ever. Barely need to defend a guy who isn't a threat to score. - manvanfan
The playmaking/scoring ratio is just fine with that unit, especially with Daniel scoring a bit more this year.
The Canucks top PP unit(when healthy) was one of the few bright spots of the team this year, there was nothing wrong with it.
The Sedins and the young guns benefited from playing with each other, their strengths and weaknesses complemented each other well.
Nah, 5v5 scoring is more important for sure. But I do chuckle everytime people say the Sedins are holding back the Canucks PP from being better. That's probably the one thing they're still good at, as long as they have a guy who can actually shoot to pass the puck to.
You can let the Sedins walk and improve 5v5 play. Stick Gagner in the Henrik role on the PP, it probably won't be as good but the improved 5v5 play and freeing up o-zone starts for young guys instead makes it worth it.
Nah, 5v5 scoring is more important for sure. But I do chuckle everytime people say the Sedins are holding back the Canucks PP from being better. That's probably the one thing they're still good at, as long as they have a guy who can actually shoot to pass the puck to.
You can let the Sedins walk and improve 5v5 play. Stick Gagner in the Henrik role on the PP, it probably won't be as good but the improved 5v5 play and freeing up o-zone starts for young guys instead makes it worth it. - Nucker101
Svech is the 2nd best 5v5 player in the draft by a wide margin.
i like it - i could do without DP, wouldnt mind resigning Weircioch - he had a good year in Utica, I want to see him get some games, cant be any worse than Hutton, Pouliot, Biega even MDZ. - Brooks_Light
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Nah, 5v5 scoring is more important for sure. But I do chuckle everytime people say the Sedins are holding back the Canucks PP from being better. That's probably the one thing they're still good at, as long as they have a guy who can actually shoot to pass the puck to.
You can let the Sedins walk and improve 5v5 play. Stick Gagner in the Henrik role on the PP, it probably won't be as good but the improved 5v5 play and freeing up o-zone starts for young guys instead makes it worth it. - Nucker101
Trying to sort out a non-Twins PP unit really exposes the lack of offensive talent on the team.
Svech is the 2nd best 5v5 player in the draft by a wide margin. - neem55
IF his Bday is actually correct. He's 4 months younger then Zadina.
Has a better scoring rate in a harder league
4 less goals in 13 less games
More PIM
2" taller
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I think Edler has that 1st PP locked next year.
Brock-Bo-Pettersson
Edler-Stetcher
Erikson-Gagner-Lepsic
Pouliot-Sven
That 2nd PP is fugly...but something like that could work. - dbot
There is literally no reason for Edler to be on any unit designed around one timers for Boeser. The team needs a RH shot at the top of that unit, a RH shot in The Spot, LH distributor on the hash marks, LH and RH rotating through the bumper and net front.
If the second unit is to run through Gagner mirroring Henrik's spot, then you want a LH heavy unit for him.
