I count 22 picks outside the first round over three drafts...these look promising:

2014
7th round--Oloffson (181st-overall)

2015
2nd--Guhle (51st)
4th--Borgen (92nd)

2016
2nd--Asplund (33rd)
3rd--Pu (69th)

so 5/22 outside the first round equals about 22% which, without doing the research, seems pretty damn good to me...

There are also some like Johansson (2014, 61st,) Brown (2014, 151st,) Fitzgerald (2016, 86th) and Murray (2016, 99th) who are longer shots but might still be in the mix
- Michael Pachla

I can't wait until most of these guys make the Sabres .... we win a cup and a bronze statue of Murray is erected downtown

They take time to develop ....... unless you feel every single 18 year old no matter what round is a bust if they aren't NHL players within 2 years ?
- fastek

but then they'd be 20, not 18.

yes but it won't be 2 out of the standard 7. He had 9, with 4 of them in the top 60.
- Sabresfan-365

I get what you're saying, but it's moving the target a bit...fact is everyone wants them to hit on picks outside the 1st round, especially in the 4-7 latter rounds...he may have hit on a 7th and a 4th to go along with a couple of seconds in addition to his first round picks...

and even so, unless a player hasn't been offered a contract (which won't happen for the 2014 class until June,) they're still prospects in the system

It’s gonna be different with the fact that we had multiple 2nds and 3rds at times.
- sbroads24

you're moving the target...there are many teams who've had multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks

agreed, so why does TM deserve credit? if it's such a crapshoot and the results are basically league average or slightly below..
- Sabresfan-365

Because everyone acts like he hit on none of them ............

They take time to develop ....... unless you feel every single 18 year old no matter what round is a bust if they aren't NHL players within 2 years ?
- fastek

I haven’t called them busts.

But if you wanna hold out hope for guys like Eric Cornel, Karabacek, or Brycen Martin, be my guest.

Look at the good teams in the league.

Tampa nailed a star in Brayden Point in 2014 (3rd round)
Nashville drafted Arvidsson in the 4th of 2014
Boston looks like they have a stud in Donato, 3rd round of 2014

Good teams find these guys. We never do

I get what you're saying, but it's moving the target a bit...fact is everyone wants them to hit on picks outside the 1st round, especially in the 4-7 latter rounds...he may have hit on a 7th and a 4th to go along with a couple of seconds in addition to his first round picks...

and even so, unless a player hasn't been offered a contract (which won't happen for the 2014 class until this year,) they're still prospects in the system
- Michael Pachla

i agree it's all lottery tickets between say round 3-7. I dont put that on murray either way (good or bad)

if I was going to lay blame it'd be for picks in the top 60, where you should naturally have a higher success rate (although picks after say 25 start creeping into random chance territory as well)

Reinhart
Lemieux
Karabacek
Cornel
Eichel
Guhle
Nylander
Asplund

Thats 8 top 60 picks over 3 years

how many of those are hits relative to their draft position? id say 3 or 4, which i guess is roughly league average or slightly below. Normally not a big deal, unless you poop the bed everywhere else. then it might be lol.

Because everyone acts like he hit on none of them ............
- fastek

Didn't he also sign Casey and E-Rod? He gets no credit for any of that either I guess ?

I haven’t called them busts.

But if you wanna hold out hope for guys like Eric Cornel, Karabacek, or Brycen Martin, be my guest.

Look at the good teams in the league.

Tampa nailed a star in Brayden Point in 2014 (3rd round)
Nashville drafted Arvidsson in the 4th of 2014
Boston looks like they have a stud in Donato, 3rd round of 2014

Good teams find these guys. We never do
- sbroads24

We do ..... but maybe we suck at development and they don't.

i agree it's all lottery tickets between say round 3-7. I dont put that on murray either way (good or bad)

if I was going to lay blame it'd be for picks in the top 60, where you should naturally have a higher success rate (although picks after say 25 start creeping into random chance territory as well)

Reinhart
Lemieux
Karabacek
Cornel
Eichel
Guhle
Nylander
Asplund

Thats 8 top 60 picks over 3 years

how many of those are hits relative to their draft position? id say 3 or 4, which i guess is roughly league average or slightly below. Normally not a big deal, unless you poop the bed everywhere else. then it might be lol.
- Sabresfan-365

His drafting is the last thing I’d criticize, and it was average at best so far.

He was just a disaster everywhere else as a GM

i agree it's all lottery tickets between say round 3-7. I dont put that on murray either way (good or bad)

if I was going to lay blame it'd be for picks in the top 60, where you should naturally have a higher success rate (although picks after say 25 start creeping into random chance territory as well)

Reinhart
Lemieux
Karabacek
Cornel
Eichel
Guhle
Nylander
Asplund

Thats 8 top 60 picks over 3 years

how many of those are hits relative to their draft position? id say 3 or 4, which i guess is roughly league average or slightly below. Normally not a big deal, unless you poop the bed everywhere else. then it might be lol.
- Sabresfan-365

still way too early to decide how his three draft years will pan out...and it should also be mentioned that development hasn't been a sabres strong point going back to the early 2000's

still way too early to decide how his three draft years will pan out...and it should also be mentioned that development hasn't been a sabres strong point going back to the early 2000's
- Michael Pachla

agreed but with a lot of these guys critical development at 18-20 is happening in leagues/teams that the sabres really have no control over. Unless of course the sabres chose to have them with the pro club (grigorenko and maybe nylander)

On the talk of draft steals,

Im prepared to call my shot on linus weissbach. Those freshmen numbers are almost identical to Mittelstadt's including primary points and even strength points.


seventh round

agreed but with a lot of these guys critical development at 18-20 is happening in leagues/teams that the sabres really have no control over. Unless of course the sabres chose to have them with the pro club (grigorenko and maybe nylander)
- Sabresfan-365

in a few years we'll have a real good look at what his drafts brought the team...by then we'll be discussing what botterill's drafts are (or aren't) yeilding

27%

What is the league average?
- Stripes77

I was going to say, this seems like a very high percentage.

Not really unless u have it around 6:00?
- Irish 14

6 is good for me

edit: or we can do Wednesday

On the talk of draft steals,

Im prepared to call my shot on linus weissbach. Those freshmen numbers are almost identical to Mittelstadt's including primary points and even strength points.


seventh round
- Sabresfan-365

Could end up being a Briere clone

Could end up being a Briere clone
- cabin

I like the sound of that.

filip Chytil, 21st overall pick in 2017, is making his NHL debut tomorrow night. Who needs late firsts that don't make an impact for 3-4 years though right

That’s how I eat my egg/egg beaters

I like it like that ..

And I told you it’s

breakfast of champions my slogan

(frank) Wheaties I hate that poop
- gerbe75pts

Yeah, except you said breakfast "FOR" champions.

I've never once had Wheaties, I was just showing you that it's breakfast "OF" champions.

https://twitter.com/JxredNHL/status/977984331602976769

Mittlestadt's comments



- Stripes77

What about them? He was replying to another comment that we have no idea the context of.

Edit: Never mind. Didn't see the second pic, kinda weird he didn't put that one up front. I don't Twitter so I didn't realize there was another pic with the pencil and paper in the comments on it. I just saw the weird out of context one.

filip Chytil, 21st overall pick in 2017, is making his NHL debut tomorrow night. Who needs late firsts that don't make an impact for 3-4 years though right
- Pegullaville

the word 'impact' might be a little strong here

the word 'impact' might be a little strong here
- Michael Pachla

Guhle's making a big impact 2 years removed from d-day. and he's a second rounder.

Guhle's making a big impact 2 years removed from d-day. and he's a second rounder.
- Sabresfan-365

perhaps I misread what he was saying there

perhaps I misread what he was saying there
- Michael Pachla

his argument was against the people who say late firsts are a pointless get cause they are "four years away"


assuming you've drafted based on talent and potential instead of tired cliches like "good hockey lineage" or "big body that gets in the dirty areas" it usually doesnt take 4 years for 1st rounders to make some sort of impact.