I don't recall what his combine weight was and that's why I am asking. All I recall reading is that his weight was up to 168 (believe it was training camp). I gained 9 pounds in the last 6 weeks. It's not that hard to add weight. The key is that he adds mass the right way and doesn't lose speed.
- CanuckDon

Yes, that's this entire discussion. OJ put on weight last year and showed up sluggish. Jake two years ago. Its mindblowing how it happens every year to a prospect or two for each team. They bulk up, work with the team, and then show up to camp like "oh (frank) right cardio. poop i forgot!"

I tried camp one year in college at about 188 and I had never felt so useless my entire life trying to play hockey at about 5lbs higher than I was used to.

I don't recall what his combine weight was and that's why I am asking. All I recall reading is that his weight was up to 168 (believe it was training camp). I gained 9 pounds in the last 6 weeks. It's not that hard to add weight. The key is that he adds mass the right way and doesn't lose speed.
- CanuckDon

164.62 pounds

https://thehockeywriters....-combine-heights-weights/

Yes, that's this entire discussion. OJ put on weight last year and showed up sluggish. Jake two years ago. Its mindblowing how it happens every year to a prospect or two for each team. They bulk up, work with the team, and then show up to camp like "oh (frank) right cardio. poop i forgot!"

I tried camp one year in college at about 188 and I had never felt so useless my entire life trying to play hockey at about 5lbs higher than I was used to.
- Lindenis#1

The prospects have to "get stronger' is what they are told. They take that as bench pressing more, squatting more. From playing sports myself, that never helped all that much. There are better way's to work muscles that involve more core/stability. The game isn't played laying on your back and using both legs at once.

164.62 pounds

https://thehockeywriters....-combine-heights-weights/
- WhiteLie

Elias Pettersson: 6-foot-1.75, 164.62 pounds

He's not even 6'2" what are people worried about.

165 lbs last June. So a 4 pound gain over the following 6 months is expected at the WJ... safe to say he's probably a 170ish player today.

I'm more worried about Zadina's size.

The prospects have to "get stronger' is what they are told. They take that as bench pressing more, squatting more. From playing sports myself, that never helped all that much. There are better way's to work muscles that involve more core/stability. The game isn't played laying on your back and using both legs at once.
- manvanfan

I agree, it just is crazy that it continuously happens. Every year there are like 10-15 or more key prospects who show up hella stronger but with a fraction of the agility and cardio they need or are used to having.

Core lifting exercises are good and should still be worked in, but weird obscure non-crossfit poop is more likely to help them.

165 lbs last June. So a 4 pound gain over the following 6 months is expected at the WJ... safe to say he's probably a 170ish player today.
- boonerbuck

175 isn't as insane then. The issue could be if he shows up much heavier than that and loses parts of his agility and nimbleness.

164.62 pounds

https://thehockeywriters....-combine-heights-weights/
- WhiteLie

Thank you....so 168 at training camp is certainly reasonable and I believe that's what was reported last year. No reason he won't be up to 175 next camp.

Yes, that's this entire discussion. OJ put on weight last year and showed up sluggish. Jake two years ago. Its mindblowing how it happens every year to a prospect or two for each team. They bulk up, work with the team, and then show up to camp like "oh (frank) right cardio. poop i forgot!"

I tried camp one year in college at about 188 and I had never felt so useless my entire life trying to play hockey at about 5lbs higher than I was used to.
- Lindenis#1

OJ and Jake both seem to have attitude issues. Jake was partying and eating cheeseburgers all summer. Hopefully EP is committed to working with the trainers and sticks to the program.

I know If I scored 21 goals 50 pts I would be looking 2 years 5 mil per. I might even consider trying to hook up with a playoff team
- VANTEL

I think if they did that, fans in Van would hate them for a bit.

OJ and Jake both seem to have attitude issues. Jake was partying and eating cheeseburgers all summer. Hopefully EP is committed to working with the trainers and sticks to the program.
- CanuckDon

Jake was working out with the Twins all summer, when he wasn't it was with either the team trainers or trainers they hired for him, and was eating meals prepped by the team chef most of the summer.

And still showed up fat.

I think if they did that, fans in Van would hate them for a bit.
- Retinalz

Hate them for getting the best deals for them? Or hating the GM who gave it to them?

Jake was working out with the Twins all summer, when he wasn't it was with either the team trainers or trainers they hired for him, and was eating meals prepped by the team chef most of the summer.

And still showed up fat.
- Lindenis#1

I think that was the issue though, he wasnt with those people 24 hours a day. He'd report to the rink, train for a couple hours and head home to do his own thing (yes, someone probably shouldve intervened earlier, but who really knows what happened).

Last summer it showed that he was putting in the extra effort required, posting social media late night cardio sessions and eating better. I think it was clear he wasnt professional or serious enough that previous summer and now knows what it takes

OJ and Jake both seem to have attitude issues. Jake was partying and eating cheeseburgers all summer. Hopefully EP is committed to working with the trainers and sticks to the program.
- CanuckDon

First I've heard of it, do tell.

Jake was working out with the Twins all summer, when he wasn't it was with either the team trainers or trainers they hired for him, and was eating meals prepped by the team chef most of the summer.

And still showed up fat.
- Lindenis#1

You are blaming the trainers for Jake showing up fat? They aren't babysitters. They can't forbid him from drinking in Yaletown and eating sh!tty food.

I think that was the issue though, he wasnt with those people 24 hours a day. He'd report to the rink, train for a couple hours and head home to do his own thing (yes, someone probably shouldve intervened earlier, but who really knows what happened).

Last summer it showed that he was putting in the extra effort required, posting social media late night cardio sessions and eating better. I think it was clear he wasnt professional or serious enough that previous summer and now knows what it takes
- WhiteLie

Pretty sure that it is against CBA, for the team to be involved in off-season training program. They are allowed to advise on certain issues, but, that is about it. IIRC

First I've heard of it, do tell.
- neem55

Reading between the lines on Salo's recent comments. He needs to work harder....needs to commit to fitness if has a remote chance of making Canucks. Strength and cardio need work etc. Seems like there may be a sense of entitlement with this kid. He better take training serious this summer

You are blaming the trainers for Jake showing up fat? They aren't babysitters. They can't forbid him from drinking in Yaletown and eating sh!tty food.
- CanuckDon

At some point you'd think they'd be like "hey wtf is this ponch kiddo?" and make a thing of it.

Pretty sure that it is against CBA, for the team to be involved in off-season training program. They are allowed to advise on certain issues, but, that is about it. IIRC
- Reubenkincade

That sounds somewhat familiar. Like they can be involved in guys rehabbing injuries but not general workouts... I'm not positive, but I think you might be right

Reading between the lines on Salo's recent comments. He needs to work harder....needs to commit to fitness if has a remote chance of making Canucks. Strength and cardio need work etc. Seems like there may be a sense of entitlement with this kid. He better take training serious this summer
- CanuckDon

I wouldn't say entitlement as much as it is simply not getting it. It sounds a little silly to differentiate the two but they aren't quite the same.

Entitlement would be "I know what I'm doing stfu"
Not getting it is more "I got stronger and you said I did it wrong. What the (frank)?"

It could be as simple as he looks at himself in the mirror, or what he's doing as workouts and see progress there and thinks that is what needs to be done.

dp

Pretty sure that it is against CBA, for the team to be involved in off-season training program. They are allowed to advise on certain issues, but, that is about it. IIRC
- Reubenkincade

I swear they were involved with him all summer. I remember it being a big deal and a talking point until he showed up to camp and everyone said "Who's the schlubby guy?"

Maybe it was part and part. I remember the Twins were apparently with him through a good part of the summer.

I swear they were involved with him all summer. I remember it being a big deal and a talking point until he showed up to camp and everyone said "Who's the schlubby guy?"
- Lindenis#1

I guess they werent allowed:

"They are allowed to open their facilities to the players, and they can use those areas to work out – which is exactly what Virtanen did. But they wouldn’t be able to monitor what the players are doing within those workouts or what happens outside of the rink"

https://canucksarmy.com/2...-cba-off-season-training/

Has EP's weight been determined yet?