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Forums :: Blog World :: Bill Meltzer: Wrap: Disastrous Night in Brooklyn as Flyers Lose 5-4
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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 4 @ 10:00 AM ET
If it makes you feel any better, I always consider you a dumb jock.
- jmatchett383


He's athletic? huh
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Apr 4 @ 10:00 AM ET
What I want to know from anyone who feels the coach didn't have the team focused and ready to play is how does the way the coaching staff prepares the team differ in games where they play well compared to games where they're flat and play down to a weaker opponent? Does the coach tell them "hey, it's the Islanders, we don't have to play hard or be ready, so just go out and take it easy, we don't want anyone to get hurt". How did the coach prepare them for the 3rd period when they came out and took over the game to tie the score? Did he make a "win one for the Gipper speech? Maybe he showed a clip of a Mike Eurizione inspirational speech?
Why do the players need to be focused by the coaching staff and made ready to play in a situation where a playoff berth and a crucial two points is up for grab? That's what I want to know from anyone who thinks the coach doesn't have them prepared to play.

- MJL

I completely agree. The no shows is on the players and their leadership. Nothing needs to be said by the coaches to amplify the importance of these games.

Lineup decisions and usage is free game. Focus.... that’s on the players and their leadership.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Apr 4 @ 10:00 AM ET
Why do people always point out the negative but don't point out how everyone passed on Ghost multiple times. Getting Lindblom so late in the draft, etc etc. all teams have good and bad when drafting 18 year olds.
- nastyflyergirl


In b4 2Real says Flyers scouts still suck for not using a later 2011 pick on Ghost
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 4 @ 10:00 AM ET
Not even going to bother with the first seven pages.

How's it bubbling today?

- Scoob


the realization that it's now down to two games...is setting in.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Apr 4 @ 10:01 AM ET
The decision to put out the fourth line right after tying it up 4-4.

Inexcusable.

Manning and Gudas playing 20min while Sanheim and Mac basically at 15. If that PK was mediocre I could understand it.

- flyer_nutter



this, all of this.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 4 @ 10:01 AM ET
"Lindbum".... ummmm, yeah.
- bmeltzer


Dude, Lindblum (not like I haven't found spelling errors in your blog, bill), isn't a consistent scorer yet.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 4 @ 10:03 AM ET
that absolutely was a goal and I swear when I see poop like that it just makes me think Bettman wants Florida in because they have so little support
- nastyflyergirl


I actually just think it was a shiitty call.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 4 @ 10:04 AM ET
He's athletic? huh
- Scoob

nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Apr 4 @ 10:04 AM ET
Please tell me you made up those numbers

- Buzzo


Provorov - 22:21
Ghost - 21:58
Manning - 20:04
Gudas - 20:01
MacDonald - 16:11
Sanheim - 15:17


I wondered if AMAC saw limited ice because of his stupid penalty that got wiped out when the Islanders scored but even still, as bad as the third pairing has been I just can't stomach those ice times. Gudas was terrible. He was even getting knocked around. I don't understand what is going on with him.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Apr 4 @ 10:05 AM ET
I don't think it has anything to do with NRGY. Read has been playing well and Lehtara has been solid too. He put out a line that he thought would be defensively responsible after the Flyers goal.
- J35Bacher


Yeah... If Hak actually thought Read and Lehtera could match the Barzal line, that's a major issue lol. This is coming from probably the biggest Read lover on this board too.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Apr 4 @ 10:06 AM ET
When you think about it. The goal comes after the PP goal. on the PP you have Patrick, Voracek, Giroux, Couturier. So you probably weren't putting out the top 2 lines.

So it was probably between Lehtara line and Fillpula line. I could have seen the same thing happening with the Filppula line out there too.

Not absolving the coaching but just pointing out what was probably the thought process.

- J35Bacher

Very fair point.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Apr 4 @ 10:07 AM ET
I completely agree. The no shows is on the players and their leadership. Nothing needs to be said by the coaches to amplify the importance of these games.

Lineup decisions and usage is free game. Focus.... that’s on the players and their leadership.

- Flyers1218



if you need the coach to fire you up then there is some big issues. It was on the team. Hak did make a mistake going with the 4th line
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Apr 4 @ 10:09 AM ET
[quote=nastyflyergirl]Provorov - 22:21
Ghost - 21:58
Manning - 20:04
Gudas - 20:01
MacDonald - 16:11
Sanheim - 15:17


I wondered if AMAC saw limited ice because of his stupid penalty that got wiped out when the Islanders scored but even still, as bad as the third pairing has been I just can't stomach those ice times. Gudas was terrible. He was even g

there is enough video evidence to play Sanheim more, this gudas and manning obsession needs to stop, they are that bad. it was a team lose but when manning and gudas were out there is was chaos, it zaps energy from the team
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 4 @ 10:11 AM ET
Provorov - 22:21
Ghost - 21:58
Manning - 20:04
Gudas - 20:01
MacDonald - 16:11
Sanheim - 15:17


I wondered if AMAC saw limited ice because of his stupid penalty that got wiped out when the Islanders scored but even still, as bad as the third pairing has been I just can't stomach those ice times. Gudas was terrible. He was even getting knocked around. I don't understand what is going on with him.

- nastyflyergirl

ES ice time isn't quite as bad, but the obsession with Manning is ridiculous
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 4 @ 10:19 AM ET
All the momentum in the world against a dead team playing for nothing.... a bad pinch by Provorov, and Lehtera choking on that Barzal vapor trail and good night the lights.

Was hilarious after they allowed the go ahead goal 30 seconds after they tied the game, they got a bench minor for too many men on the ice. That Hakstol runs a tight ship over on the bench.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 4 @ 10:20 AM ET
Team negative vs. Team reality vs. Team orange colored glasses aka Team be nice to MJL (while he talks down to others like a richard)

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 4 @ 10:20 AM ET
Time for Nrgy
- Just5


So I was mulling this over this morning.

I don't want a Rinaldo or Carcillo in the lineup, but I think we do need a little bit more crazy. This team is just very vanilla and doesn't play with much "zip" if you will. I loved it when you could throw Lappy/Powe out there and you knew they'd get the team going and were generally responsible defensively. I'd like to see Simmer have a shift like he did leading up to the Washington brawl where he just decided he was going to run over everyone on the ice.
Fryman4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.21.2014

Apr 4 @ 10:21 AM ET
Dude, Lindblum (not like I haven't found spelling errors in your blog, bill), isn't a consistent scorer yet.
- SuperSchennBros


Lindblum. Must be on a team with that Lyons guy I kept hearing about.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Apr 4 @ 10:22 AM ET
All the momentum in the world against a dead team playing for nothing.... a bad pinch by Provorov, and Lehtera choking on that Barzal vapor trail and good night the lights.

Was hilarious after they allowed the go ahead goal 30 seconds after they tied the game, they got a bench minor for too many men on the ice. That Hakstol runs a tight ship over on the bench.

- PLindbergh31



Almost as hilarious as the fact that you didn't watch the game or at least see the too many men on the ice penalty.

If you did you would realize the dumb play that caused it was 100% Jake's fault..
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 4 @ 10:23 AM ET
He's athletic? huh
- Scoob


Jocks don't have to be athletic. Have you even seen a picture of Pete Incaviglia, Mo Vaughn, the average NFL defensive lineman, or Phil Kessel?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 4 @ 10:24 AM ET
So I was mulling this over this morning.

I don't want a Rinaldo or Carcillo in the lineup, but I think we do need a little bit more crazy. This team is just very vanilla and doesn't play with much "zip" if you will. I loved it when you could throw Lappy/Powe out there and you knew they'd get the team going and were generally responsible defensively. I'd like to see Simmer have a shift like he did leading up to the Washington brawl where he just decided he was going to run over everyone on the ice.

- jmatchett383

They have players on the roster capable of that. It's not a roster problem. They are coached to play a more reserved style of hockey whereas someone like Lavi wanted the poop stirred just about every game.

Frankly, with how terrible the PK is they can't afford to play loose like that.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 4 @ 10:25 AM ET
Team negative vs. Team reality vs. Team orange colored glasses aka Team be nice to MJL (while he talks down to others like a richard)


- hereticpride


lol, yeah "reality"
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 4 @ 10:25 AM ET
Almost as hilarious as the fact that you didn't watch the game or at least see the too many men on the ice penalty.

If you did you would realize the dumb play that caused it was 100% Jake's fault..

- opeth_pa


I saw Barzal blow past Lehtera like he was a cigar store indian.

The key in the game against Carolina is to insert Weise back in the lineup. As well as maximizing the ice time of Lehtera, Manning, and Gudas.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 4 @ 10:26 AM ET
They have players on the roster capable of that. It's not a roster problem. They are coached to play a more reserved style of hockey whereas someone like Lavi wanted the poop stirred just about every game.

Frankly, with how terrible the PK is they can't afford to play loose like that.

- hereticpride


You can play like that without taking a penalty. Someone throwing more than a slight nudge against the other team every now and then would be nice.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Apr 4 @ 10:30 AM ET
This team could use Scott Hartnell (from then, not now). And Danny Briere. And Kimmo. Sigh.
- Flyers1218


Kimmo
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