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TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Apr 5 @ 4:02 PM ET
Those are some true words
- gerbe75pts

Fixed
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Apr 5 @ 4:03 PM ET
Ran the simulator 5 times.

Sabres picked 4th 3x, 2nd once and first once.

(frank) you, Bettman.

- Powerslave

No matter what happens, (frank) bettman. And the leafs. And gmtm
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 5 @ 4:05 PM ET
Ill be happy with 1oa but wont be proud of how we got there.
- TheHank


Once we win the cup those things will be the past
51_Killer
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buttplug, NY
Joined: 08.15.2013

Apr 5 @ 4:07 PM ET
Those are some fighting words
- gerbe75pts


Come at me bro, and bring all your Brads with you

gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 5 @ 4:08 PM ET
REPORT: Teams in the top 10 are "aware" that the Patriots want Baker Mayfield

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gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 5 @ 4:09 PM ET
Come at me bro, and bring all your Brads with you


- 51_Killer


My handbag might get wet..

Maybe next time
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 5 @ 4:11 PM ET
If the Patriots want Baker Mayfield I'm sold now

JetpackJesus
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Honolulu, HI
Joined: 08.27.2007

Apr 5 @ 4:21 PM ET
He just made a 13!
- TheHank

He should NOT have watched Tin Cup last night.

Video in this story for any who missed it (like me).
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 5 @ 4:23 PM ET
Here are some numbers that i think help put the year in perspective. This is a little bit of a different way of looking at it. I'm tallying cap hit against % of total points as a team. Before i really start, a few numbers that I'll use as a baseline:

For the sake of conversation, we'll call the Sabres cap number $70 million.

The Sabres scored 458 points as a team this year.

Ok, now I'll start with the Fantastic Four - Bogo, Moulson, Gorges and Pominville. The Sabres spent $19.6m on those four players, who contributed 35 points.

$19.6m represents 28% of the Sabres cap. They produced 7% of the points

This is actually a little unfair to Pominville, as he contributed 33 of those points.

So the three amigos are $14m, or 20% of the cap, and contributed .6% percent of the points.

That's not an error. .6% of the points for 20% of the cap.

Now some better news.

Eichel and Reinhart still on their entry deal, and they obviously represented good value

Ryan O'Reilly. 59p for $7.5m: That's 12% of the points for 10% of the cap.

Ristolainen: 40p for $5.4: That's 8% of the points for 7% of the cap.

Okposo: 43p for $6m: That's 9% of the points for 8.5% of the cap

Other guys:

Rodrigues: 22p for $650,000.00: That's just under 1% for 4% of the cap. Good!

Girgensons, 15p for $1.6m: That's 3% of the scoring for 2% of the cap. Not Bad!


Anyway, i thought this might be a novel way to look at where our players stack up as a percentage of the cap and a percentage of points.

My big take away is that there is currently a lot of money that isn't producing. The guys we paid big money (90, 21, 55) are producing at a slightly - slightly - higher level than their pay, but the dead money (the big 4), is wasted, and that, my friends, is why we sucked imo.

- jcragcrumple


Nice post
I can appreciate this way of looking at things,
although guys do have value in ways other than just scoring points
Also,
doesn’t take into account games played

And u were unfair to Pominville by these standards
He produced 7% of the points & cost 8% of the Cap hit

And if u go by Eichel’s 10mil Cap hit next year... then he produced 13.5% of our points for 14% of the Cap hit

U generally won’t get “good value” from guys that make the big money


The biggest problem if u ONLY look at it this way though, is that we are the 2nd lowest scoring team, & obviously need more goals

So let’s just say to be a playoff team we need to have around the 15th highest point total...
Maybe then it would be more appropriate to compare the Cap Hits of our players to the Production we will Need to be a good team


Still though...
interesting approach sir
I like the post
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Apr 5 @ 4:24 PM ET
He should NOT have watched Tin Cup last night.

Video in this story for any who missed it (like me).

- JetpackJesus

Maybe he should have watched it last night. Cup only made a 12 though
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 5 @ 4:26 PM ET
Get a job and a life.
- Hatboro_Swords


GMTM doesn’t have a job
and he’s your hero, so.....
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 5 @ 4:28 PM ET
GMTM doesn’t have a job
and he’s your hero, so.....

- jdfitz77

TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Apr 5 @ 4:29 PM ET
GMTM doesn’t have a job
and he’s your hero, so.....

- jdfitz77

Isnt he a scout for the wild?
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 5 @ 4:30 PM ET
Really need another RW?
- 51_Killer


Zadina is a RW as well


Hey guys...
i think we found who GMTM is on here!
(Hates Russians... hahaha)
JetpackJesus
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Honolulu, HI
Joined: 08.27.2007

Apr 5 @ 4:31 PM ET
Maybe he should have watched it last night. Cup only made a 12 though
- TheHank

You remembered his 12! I guess Molly was right.
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Apr 5 @ 4:32 PM ET
You remembered his 12! I guess Molly was right.
- JetpackJesus

She looked pretty good in that movie.
JetpackJesus
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Honolulu, HI
Joined: 08.27.2007

Apr 5 @ 4:32 PM ET

- gerbe75pts

I hope there were criminal charges against that kid.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 5 @ 4:35 PM ET
I hope there were criminal charges against that kid.
- JetpackJesus


Probably the girl was a tease
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 5 @ 4:42 PM ET
I think it’s like looking at how far someone can run, without taking into consideration how much time it takes them to do it.

O’Reilly can get to 59 points. But it’s taking him 1642 minutes to do so.

Guys who are paid similarly or even less like Scheifele and Couture are putting up those numbers or better in hundreds of less minutes.

- sbroads24


They’re also on teams that score a lot more

U really don’t think ROR would have better numbers on the Jets?
O’Reilly is NOT Eichel or McDavid

When u give players more minutes,
it doesn’t necessarily translate to more points... at least not on par with their point percentage with lesser icetime

What I’m saying is...
u give a 3rd liner who plays 15min a game an extra 5min of icetime per...
he’s not gonna score 33% more

In that same respect...
O’Reilly is a good 2nd line player
Just bc he’s given 1st line minutes here,
does NOT mean he’s gonna produce like Jack

All your doing is looking at minutes vs points & not taking into account any sort of context
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 5 @ 4:44 PM ET
Isnt he a scout for the wild?
- TheHank


Is he?

Earlier this year i tried to find if he was doing anything now & couldn't
I just assumed he took a year off

And I’m sure he will get another job in the league, even though he did a terrible job with us
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 5 @ 4:45 PM ET
They’re also on teams that score a lot more

U really don’t think ROR would have better numbers on the Jets?
O’Reilly is NOT Eichel or McDavid


When u give players more minutes,
it doesn’t necessarily translate to more points... at least not on par with their point percentage with lesser icetime

What I’m saying is...
u give a 3rd liner who plays 15min a game an extra 5min of icetime per...
he’s not gonna score 33% more

In that same respect...
O’Reilly is a good 2nd line player
Just bc he’s given 1st line minutes here,
does NOT mean he’s gonna produce like Jack

All your doing is looking at minutes vs points & not taking into account any sort of context

- jdfitz77

No, I don’t because he’d be playing a lot less.

I’m not sure he even gets PP2 time there
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Apr 5 @ 4:48 PM ET
I hope there were criminal charges against that kid.
- JetpackJesus

It's a (frank)ing kid, dude. Criminal charges, right, I'm sure you were a choir boy growing up.

Probably were the Priest's favorite, too.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 5 @ 4:49 PM ET
They’re also on teams that score a lot more

U really don’t think ROR would have better numbers on the Jets?
O’Reilly is NOT Eichel or McDavid

When u give players more minutes,
it doesn’t necessarily translate to more points... at least not on par with their point percentage with lesser icetime

What I’m saying is...
u give a 3rd liner who plays 15min a game an extra 5min of icetime per...
he’s not gonna score 33% more

In that same respect...
O’Reilly is a good 2nd line player
Just bc he’s given 1st line minutes here,
does NOT mean he’s gonna produce like Jack

All your doing is looking at minutes vs points & not taking into account any sort of context

- jdfitz77

Guys score more with more ice time.

Look at Schenn and Couturier

Schenn goes to St. Louis and plays 2 more minutes per game and he’s having a career year

Couturier is playing more because Schenn left and they moved Giroux to wing, and he’s having a career year.

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 5 @ 4:52 PM ET
No, I don’t because he’d be playing a lot less.

I’m not sure he even gets PP2 time there

- sbroads24


Good grief

Ok...
how are Kulikov’s numbers this year on a good team (the Jets)
vs
How they were last year for us?

I seriously haven’t looked
But I’ll bet they’re WAY better
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 5 @ 4:54 PM ET
Good grief

Ok...
how are Kulikov’s numbers this year on a good team (the Jets)
vs
How they were last year for us?

I seriously haven’t looked
But I’ll bet they’re WAY better

- jdfitz77

.17 PPG in WPG
.11 PPG in Buffalo

Not way better
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