I wasn't rehashing it, I simply said if Boeser wasn't available Benning probably would have missed again. Which was relevant to the 31 thoughts article.
- LeftCoaster

and if Virtanen wasn't available at 6th overall, it would have been Larkin (as per rumor)
and if PLD was available, it would have been him over Juolevi

in the end though, it really is pointless. I understand you have a distaste for Benning, but to presume that if Boeser wasn't available at 23 overall, he would have swung and missed, that is just ridiculous to me. The same applies to all 29 GM's who passed on Tolvanen?

and if Virtanen wasn't available at 6th overall, it would have been Larkin (as per rumor)
and if PLD was available, it would have been him over Juolevi

in the end though, it really is pointless. I understand you have a distaste for Benning, but to presume that if Boeser wasn't available at 23 overall, he would have swung and missed, that is just ridiculous to me. The same applies to all 29 GM's who passed on Tolvanen?
- Codes1087

If PLD was available, we have PK Subban, according to Friedman. Would have been PLD++ for PK.

I get what you’re saying though.

If PLD was available, we have PK Subban, according to Friedman. Would have been PLD++ for PK.

I get what you’re saying though.
- Nucker101

we could sit here all day and go over different scenarios, if so-and-so wasn't taken, how the rest of the draft would have gone, etc etc etc. I just don't see the point. Hindsight is 20/20.

we could sit here all day and go over different scenarios, if so-and-so wasn't taken, how the rest of the draft would have gone, etc etc etc. I just don't see the point. Hindsight is 20/20.
- Codes1087

Well the ones that almost happened and have some good sources are interesting to think about.

The random speculation is 100% a waste of time

620 points, only 27 years old, free to highest bidder


- LeftCoaster

If we won the draft lotto, I think he would consider overpayment to come here. That's a big IF though and the Isles have a better crack at it than us at this point.

Well the ones that almost happened and have some good sources are interesting to think about.

The random speculation is 100% a waste of time
- Nucker101

we keep hearing about Virtanen and Juolevi, but hardly ever to we hear about people whining about Gillis/Gilman "swing and missing" on Shinkaruk when Hartmen,Lekhonen,Theodore,McCoshen,Compher,Guentzel,Buchnevich,Bjokstrand were all taken after him. Same thing goes for every draft. Its so easy to be critical way after the fact. "It is what it is"

we keep hearing about Virtanen and Juolevi, but hardly ever to we hear about people whining about Gillis/Gilman "swing and missing" on Shinkaruk when Hartmen,Lekhonen,Theodore,McCoshen,Compher,Guentzel,Buchnevich,Bjokstrand were all taken after him. Same thing goes for every draft. Its so easy to be critical way after the fact. "It is what it is"
- Codes1087

I think people get more frustrated when they don’t initially agree with the pick.

Majority pf Canuck fans were doing backflips when the Canucks got Shinkaruk that late but a lot were upset that they passed on Nishkushin for Bo.

and if Virtanen wasn't available at 6th overall, it would have been Larkin (as per rumor)
and if PLD was available, it would have been him over Juolevi

in the end though, it really is pointless. I understand you have a distaste for Benning, but to presume that if Boeser wasn't available at 23 overall, he would have swung and missed, that is just ridiculous to me. The same applies to all 29 GM's who passed on Tolvanen?
- Codes1087

True. Was fairly common knowledge that Benning was looking straight at PLD but when Columbus took him early it pooched the whole draft. It is what it is...drafting is only a small part of the process.

Boston passed on Boeser, Barzal, Connor...so forth...If the Bruins were a bottom 10 club the whining over the missed picks I'm sure would be large and in charge.

I think people get more frustrated when they don’t initially agree with the pick.

Majority pf Canuck fans were doing backflips when the Canucks got Shinkaruk that late but a lot were upset that they passed on Nishkushin for Bo.
- Nucker101

People thought we had the next coming of Patrick Kane, all because the commentary during the draft, had people relate Horvat to Bergeron and Shinkaruk to Kane lol

True. Was fairly common knowledge that Benning was looking straight at PLD but when Columbus took him early it pooched the whole draft. It is what it is...drafting is only a small part of the process.

Boston passed on Boeser, Barzal, Connor...so forth...If the Bruins were a bottom 10 club the whining over the missed picks I'm sure would be large and in charge.
- LordHumungous

^this,

Boston passing on those players, and Canucks passing on Ehlers/Nylander, its near exactly the same. Draft position I guess makes Canucks look worse, but its all relative. Boston continue to draft well though in later rounds, or with later picks (as seen with Carlo/McAvoy.

^this,

Boston passing on those players, and Canucks passing on Ehlers/Nylander, its near exactly the same. Draft position I guess makes Canucks look worse, but its all relative. Boston continue to draft well though in later rounds, or with later picks (as seen with Carlo/McAvoy.
- Codes1087

At the end of the day, a team with a good drafting GM/scouting staff will out draft the majority of the league over time, even if they draft a 1st round bust or 2. If they don’t out draft teams, then they weren’t a strong enough drafting management team to begin with.

we could sit here all day and go over different scenarios, if so-and-so wasn't taken, how the rest of the draft would have gone, etc etc etc. I just don't see the point. Hindsight is 20/20.
- Codes1087

Sorry, I triggered Lefty by pondering what Benning's draft board looked like for that year

At the end of the day, a team with a good drafting GM/scouting staff will out draft the majority of the league over time, even if they draft a 1st round bust or 2. If they don’t out draft teams, then they weren’t a strong enough drafting management team to begin with.
- Nucker101

Year after year Tampa has forwards at the top of the AHL and Nashville brings a new dman up that excels. I agree the drafting is key, whatever it is they're using to assess guys it's working. But so is developing them for extended periods of time.

Utica 2-2 going into shoot out. Jasek 2 more assists. Tanner Mcmaster 2 point also.

Year after year Tampa has forwards at the top of the AHL and Nashville brings a new dman up that excels. I agree the drafting is key, whatever it is they're using to assess guys it's working. But so is developing them for extended periods of time.
- neem55

I've been on board with overloading the AHL, but its interesting to see the varying takes on it. Some teams let them develop as long as possible and some seem to like going for it

Tallon was just in 31 Thoughts saying:

“I love young players. We did it in Chicago and we’re doing it here in Florida. We’re just gonna let them learn on the job.”

I've been on board with overloading the AHL, but its interesting to see the varying takes on it. Some teams let them develop as long as possible and some seem to like going for it

Tallon was just in 31 Thoughts saying:
- WhiteLie

It's true that league is getting a bit younger, less contact gives them space. I do think it wrecks some kids that can't handle the spotlight/pressure. I guess at the end of the day I'll be pretty happy if were have more of both going on where the farm is full and kids are taking spots. Kinda seems like a bigger deal in big hockey markets too, where that spotlight shines even brighter.

I've been on board with overloading the AHL, but its interesting to see the varying takes on it. Some teams let them develop as long as possible and some seem to like going for it

Tallon was just in 31 Thoughts saying:
- WhiteLie

Winnipeg had the same approach for a long time.

Utica 2-2 going into shoot out. Jasek 2 more assists. Tanner Mcmaster 2 point also.
- manvanfan

? didn't they lose in OT

It's true that league is getting a bit younger, less contact gives them space. I do think it wrecks some kids that can't handle the spotlight/pressure. I guess at the end of the day I'll be pretty happy if were have more of both going on where the farm is full and kids are taking spots.
- neem55

For me, there are obvious exceptions for gifted players, but for the rest I think it really benefits the team to have guys develop chemistry in less intense situations, where they can make the jump and be confident in themselves and teammates

Winnipeg had the same approach for a long time.
- manvanfan

Winnipeg, Detroit, Tampa, even Pittsburgh has done well using their farm

For me, there are obvious exceptions for gifted players, but for the rest I think it really benefits the team to have guys develop chemistry in less intense situations, where they can make the jump and be confident in themselves and teammates
- WhiteLie

Agreed. A lot of our old core developed in Manitoba and did that, were a way closer team because of that I think.

Tonights atmosphere will be something else, will be a fun game to watch for sure!

If we won the draft lotto, I think he would consider overpayment to come here. That's a big IF though and the Isles have a better crack at it than us at this point.
- neem55

Sign and trade.

Sign and trade.
- bloatedmosquito

100%

Then do it again the next day with the best ufa available on July 2nd. By July 7th, we should have at least 12 draft picks for 2019

Tonights atmosphere will be something else, will be a fun game to watch for sure!
- 93Nucks

How much do you want to bet that if the canucks are losing people will leave early. I saw it in the most critical of playoff games so why would this night be any different?

Most of those $400+ tickets were scooped up by pillow biters.