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Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Apr 8 @ 1:53 AM ET
There is 0 chance of 4 years. The Sabres would never consider it.
- Lunaion


Jason?
seedy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: you don't need an ignore button to ignore someone., CA
Joined: 02.22.2007

Apr 8 @ 1:57 AM ET
4x4
- BeadyEyedDouche


Ennis-esque? I feel thats fair.
Either the Sabres get a bargain for a shorter term or he makes money to play in Rochester. Its all up to him with a contract like that.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Apr 8 @ 2:01 AM ET
Jason?
- Wetbandit1


What's the minimum length deal that would take him to unrestricted free agency? Isn't that the length you would NEVER go?
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Apr 8 @ 2:39 AM ET
What's the minimum length deal that would take him to unrestricted free agency? Isn't that the length you would NEVER go?
- Lunaion


No?

Let's say you do that, a) the amount you have to pay is less because you're not buying any UFA years and b) you buy all the cheap years.

Let's say you give him a 2 year $8M deal and he improves. Then in 2 years you have to shell out a ton of money. If you do a 4 year $16M deal then you've just saved, let's say, $8M because the cap will have likely gone up and if he's better that means more money and then you're forced to buyout UFA years because another 2 year deal would be idiotic at that point.

*amounts for example only.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Apr 8 @ 2:50 AM ET
No?

Let's say you do that, a) the amount you have to pay is less because you're not buying any UFA years and b) you buy all the cheap years.

Let's say you give him a 2 year $8M deal and he improves. Then in 2 years you have to shell out a ton of money. If you do a 4 year $16M deal then you've just saved, let's say, $8M because the cap will have likely gone up and if he's better that means more money and then you're forced to buyout UFA years because another 2 year deal would be idiotic at that point.

*amounts for example only.

- Wetbandit1


You think that's Sam? Even if you did, you'd still want a 3 yr....which is why it will be 1 or 2....and hopefully not 7 or 8....but never 4.
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Apr 8 @ 2:57 AM ET
You think that's Sam? Even if you did, you'd still want a 3 yr....which is why it will be 1 or 2....and hopefully not 7 or 8....but never 4.
- Lunaion


Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Apr 8 @ 3:12 AM ET
You think that's Sam? Even if you did, you'd still want a 3 yr....which is why it will be 1 or 2....and hopefully not 7 or 8....but never 4.
- Lunaion


I'll take the extra year of paying less in that scenario. 4 years gives you the most years at the cheapest price. 3 years gives you about the same price for the first 3 but then the 4th year through 11 or 12, he'd likely get a long term deal, and then you end up paying more for the 4th year that way.

But I already said 3 for $13M earlier.

I was just having a poke at you for saying they'd never do something like you know what they're thinking.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Apr 8 @ 3:13 AM ET
God, remember this song?

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 8 @ 4:55 AM ET
Next years forward lines
?-Eichel-?
?-ROR-Reinhart
Erod-Mittelstadt-Pominville
Wilson-?-?

Leftovers
Okposo Baptiste Bailey Girgensons Larsson Moulson

Ready to make the jump?
Smith Nylander

- mattmoulson


I’d say that’s pretty accurate

Pencil in Okposo on Jack’s RW, at least for now
It is possible he can switch to the Left
He played there a bit with NyI

If we get Svechnikov or Zadina,
one of them will most likely be RW for Jack

In the ready to make the jump category,
I’d also put O’Regan

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 8 @ 4:58 AM ET
That's a great breakdown. Maybe 3 moves for 3 spots?

Hoping still babs or bailey pan out
1st round pick plays next year
Sign vanek or James neal

- Boss34


No thanks
He’s still a decent player...
but don’t we wanna get faster?

Plus, at his age he’s likely chasing a Cup
He had a good enough season that he can sign with a good team

Neal is intriguing
Surprised Vegas hasn’t worked out an extension with him yet
He’d be a huge loss
kritter65
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 07.11.2009

Apr 8 @ 8:20 AM ET
God, remember this song?


- Wetbandit1


Ah yes. Not a huge Fastball fan, but "Fire Escape" by them is on my favorite songs of all-time list - and that genre isn't really what i'm into. It's just a damn good song.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 8 @ 8:55 AM ET
God, remember this song?


- Wetbandit1


Nope
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Apr 8 @ 8:57 AM ET
This will be exactly Botterils negotiating point, which his agent will counter, and they will arrive at a market value, which half the people on this thread will b!tch about, regardless of what that amount or term will be.
He's 22 and has scored 20 goals 3 years in a row. He's the least of the Sabres problems. And im pretty sure this team isn't going to throw a dump truck of money at him.

- seedy


Alright then.
I’m getting in line early to secure the 1st spot...

That f(frank)ing Reinhart, plays 3 years and takes a year off during that span...and the Sabres do what? ... reward him with a $(insert dollar amount & term) contract? What were they thinking.
Hopefully now they can use his under-contract status as a selling point when shopping him for a good young Dman.

Did I do that right?
pwasil7
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.16.2006

Apr 8 @ 8:57 AM ET
Plenty of positives for Buffalo ... fans
. the season is over
. there's hope that most of players won't be on the team next year
. there's hope that Garth may write more about San Jose than the Sabres
. Sabres fans may be able to attend a Stanley cup parade that is less than 2 hrs
away
. there's hope the Sabres get a new coach
. the Sabres will have a top 4 pick in the next draft

Lots of positives
sabreadvocate1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: ON
Joined: 12.12.2006

Apr 8 @ 9:12 AM ET
Alright then.
I’m getting in line early to secure the 1st spot...

That f(frank)ing Reinhart, plays 3 years and takes a year off during that span...and the Sabres do what? ... reward him with a $(insert dollar amount & term) contract? What were they thinking.
Hopefully now they can use his under-contract status as a selling point when shopping him for a good young Dman.

Did I do that right?

- IonSabres


This.
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Apr 8 @ 9:20 AM ET
Plenty of positives for Buffalo ... fans
. the season is over
. there's hope that most of players won't be on the team next year
. there's hope that Garth may write more about San Jose than the Sabres
. Sabres fans may be able to attend a Stanley cup parade that is less than 2 hrs
away
. there's hope the Sabres get a new coach
. the Sabres will have a top 4 pick in the next draft

Lots of positives

- pwasil7


We’re also going to be way better at golf than you

gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 8 @ 9:28 AM ET
Can't wait for worlds
SabreWest
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BC
Joined: 03.02.2015

Apr 8 @ 9:44 AM ET
Can't wait for worlds
- gerbe75pts



Who'se playing that we got?
rapperray
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Thank God I don't live in NY anymore, NY
Joined: 02.22.2007

Apr 8 @ 9:53 AM ET
So now that last place is locked in and the season is over the Sabres can start their plans for next years disaster. Wait... I really do believe they can finish 2nd to last next season.... This feeling positive is a great thing...
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 8 @ 10:04 AM ET
Who'se playing that we got?
- SabreWest


Jack (not sure)
Sam can't he's pissed
Casey already confirmed
RoR ( Canada) 90%

That's it right now

Confirmed right now USA

Dylan Larkin
Chris Kreider
Casey Mittelstadt
Clayton Keller
Ryan Dzingel
Colin White
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Apr 8 @ 10:11 AM ET
No thanks
He’s still a decent player...
but don’t we wanna get faster?

Plus, at his age he’s likely chasing a Cup
He had a good enough season that he can sign with a good team

Neal is intriguing
Surprised Vegas hasn’t worked out an extension with him yet
He’d be a huge loss

- jdfitz77



I was never a vanek fan , but he would maybe want to come back and play with pommer. Also friends/teammates with jbotts.
Vanek could replace nolans speed with 20 more goals.

Neal played under phil in Nashville
Neal was assistant gm'ed under Pittsburgh and jbotts
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Apr 8 @ 10:14 AM ET
Jack (not sure)
Sam can't he's pissed
Casey already confirmed
RoR ( Canada) 90%

That's it right now

Confirmed right now USA

Dylan Larkin
Chris Kreider
Casey Mittelstadt
Clayton Keller
Ryan Dzingel
Colin White

- gerbe75pts



Sam our savior needs to be good enough to be invited.
Not sure if he makes that cut
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 8 @ 10:16 AM ET
Sam our savior needs to be good enough to be invited.
Not sure if he makes that cut

- Boss34


He can’t go that’s why he’s irritated
No Contract
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 8 @ 10:18 AM ET
I was never a vanek fan , but he would maybe want to come back and play with pommer. Also friends/teammates with jbotts.
Vanek could replace nolans speed with 20 more goals.

Neal played under phil in Nashville
Neal was assistant gm'ed under Pittsburgh and jbotts

- Boss34


I would take a James Neil 3 years 5 million a year
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Apr 8 @ 10:19 AM ET
He can’t go that’s why he’s irritated
No Contract

- gerbe75pts


Would he be invited?

Not sure if hes a top 12 Canadian forward who is eliminated from the nhl playoffs.
I imagine each team of the 15 has 1 or more better Canadian forwards. Such as ror
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