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dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 13 @ 4:55 PM ET
IMO, Moss >Rice> TO> Calvin Johnson in terms of greatness
- sbroads24



Well since Rice is widely considered the best football player of all time, I’d say you’re incorrect. Moss isn’t in the best NFL player of all time convo.....ever.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Apr 13 @ 4:57 PM ET
IMO, Moss >Rice> TO> Calvin Johnson in terms of greatness
- sbroads24



I have it as:

1.)Rice
2A) TO
2B) Moss
3.) Larry Fitz
4.) Megatron

The numbers Rice put up is insane considering how he was beat to hell and the lack of passing in his ERA puts him at #1 for me.

Moss and TO man those two were crazy good, but they both had people to lean on Moss had Carter, TO had Rice.

They were just so good.

sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 13 @ 4:58 PM ET
Well since Rice is widely considered the best football player of all time, I’d say you’re incorrect. Moss isn’t in the best NFL player of all time convo.....ever.
- dadeadhead

I'd strongly disagree on that.

Moss doesn't have Rice's numbers, but in their primes, Moss was the superior player.

He's the second most physically gifted reciever ever, besides Calvin
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Apr 13 @ 4:59 PM ET
I'd strongly disagree on that.

Moss doesn't have Rice's numbers, but in their primes, Moss was the superior player.

He's the second most physically gifted reciever ever, besides Calvin

- sbroads24


You have to look at the rules and the ERA they were playing in.

Makes me wonder what Rice could do in this modern passing era (you know every team except the Bills )

Rice put up over 1800 yards in 1 season (in 1995)...the closest Moss got...1600
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 13 @ 5:01 PM ET
You have to look at the rules and the ERA they were playing in.

Makes me wonder what Rice could do in this modern passing era (you know every team except the Bills )

- Stripes77

Rice's longevity seperates him from the others in terms of records.

But he played with the GOAT until Manning/Brady were in the convo, then played with another HOF in Young. Then an MVP in Gannon.

Moss had to deal with Kerry Collins and other garbage for 2 years in Oakland, and missed Culpepper for large parts of 2 seasons
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Apr 13 @ 5:02 PM ET
Was he a HOF QB?


Nope.


TO only had Young for the 1st 3 years and 4 games then had Garcia.

- dadeadhead


He was one of the top quarterbacks in the league the last part of his career.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 13 @ 5:03 PM ET
I'd strongly disagree on that.

Moss doesn't have Rice's numbers, but in their primes, Moss was the superior player.

He's the second most physically gifted reciever ever, besides Calvin

- sbroads24



Rice took a beating over the middle.

Sorry but when it comes to best player of all time, he’s right up there. Moss is never mentioned.
Slapjackzack
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 08.02.2016

Apr 13 @ 5:07 PM ET
Is there a chance the Sharks fall off the cliff and miss the playoffs next year with it being a 2019 1st round pick, if they get it?
- kingcong39[/quote

@john_wawrow
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Apr 11
Got the answer on the conditional first-round pick #Sabres got from #Sharks for Evander Kane.
If conditions are met, Sharks would keep the pick if they wind up in lottery next year.
Buffalo would then get San Jose's first-rounder (no matter what/where) in 2020.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Apr 13 @ 5:07 PM ET
Rice's longevity seperates him from the others in terms of records.

But he played with the GOAT until Manning/Brady were in the convo, then played with another HOF in Young. Then an MVP in Gannon.

Moss had to deal with Kerry Collins and other garbage for 2 years in Oakland, and missed Culpepper for large parts of 2 seasons

- sbroads24



You're mistaken:

75.6 yards per game is better than Moss 70.1
5.1 catches per game is better than Moss 4.5

Moss was better at yards per catch 15.6 to 14.8 and had a better TD per game .71 to .65 (if you factor in his rushing TDs it's .68 Moss doesn't have any)

If they played in the same amount of games Rice would have more yards and more catches than Moss, Moss would have more TD's though

Then you have to factor in the ERA of which he played. The rules were in favor of Moss.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Joined: 10.07.2010

Apr 13 @ 5:10 PM ET
You don’t get it ?
- gerbe75pts


I do now. She wanted to show you the cracked screen. You spew nonsense so much I just figured you were leaving a key word or three out.
chilliard77
Location: AZ
Joined: 08.23.2011

Apr 13 @ 5:12 PM ET
@Gerbe I sent you a trade in fantasy baseball
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 13 @ 5:24 PM ET
I do now. She wanted to show you the cracked screen. You spew nonsense so much I just figured you were leaving a key word or three out.
- Wetbandit1


The point is she couldn’t show me the cracked screen

she thought if you took a screenshot I would see it
chilliard77
Location: AZ
Joined: 08.23.2011

Apr 13 @ 5:25 PM ET
I do now. She wanted to show you the cracked screen. You spew nonsense so much I just figured you were leaving a key word or three out.
- Wetbandit1

If you still want in I've got a team available
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 13 @ 5:30 PM ET
That would be me. Yeah he was texting me about how the avs are gonna stomp, bla bla bla

Direct quote: "avs are gonna crush tonight"

- jcragcrumple


We bet $2 on the game just to be jackasses
Shadman306
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Joined: 06.11.2015

Apr 13 @ 5:35 PM ET
Just for curiosity sake, let’s say Kane scores a point per game in the playoffs for the sharks.

What do we think his next deal will be? Do you think that would earn him 7mil AAV for 5-6?
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 13 @ 5:35 PM ET
IMO, Moss >Rice> TO> Calvin Johnson in terms of greatness
- sbroads24


How the heck can u have Moss over Rice?
Or anyone for that matter?

It’s like listing someone ahead of Gretzky
It’s just not close statistically at all,
plus take into account how much less passing/receiving stats were when Rice played

He’s far & away the #1 WR
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 07.01.2016

Apr 13 @ 5:38 PM ET
Girgensons is our furniture capitan
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 02.24.2008

Apr 13 @ 5:42 PM ET
I have it as:

1.)Rice
2A) TO
2B) Moss
3.) Larry Fitz
4.) Megatron

The numbers Rice put up is insane considering how he was beat to hell and the lack of passing in his ERA puts him at #1 for me.

Moss and TO man those two were crazy good, but they both had people to lean on Moss had Carter, TO had Rice.

They were just so good.

- Stripes77

kick out moss


add 1 of these

largent
monk
bruce
wayne


SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Apr 13 @ 5:50 PM ET
New song from GHOST called RATS is great.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Apr 13 @ 5:57 PM ET
The point is she couldn’t show me the cracked screen

she thought if you took a screenshot I would see it

- gerbe75pts


Yeah, I got it.

You just say so much nonsensical stuff I figured it was more of the same.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Joined: 10.07.2010

Apr 13 @ 5:57 PM ET
If you still want in I've got a team available
- chilliard77


I'm good, thanks.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Apr 13 @ 5:58 PM ET
How the heck can u have Moss over Rice?
Or anyone for that matter?

It’s like listing someone ahead of Gretzky
It’s just not close statistically at all,
plus take into account how much less passing/receiving stats were when Rice played

He’s far & away the #1 WR

- jdfitz77


I've seen many lists with Orr as #1.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Apr 13 @ 6:02 PM ET
Rice took a beating over the middle.

Sorry but when it comes to best player of all time, he’s right up there. Moss is never mentioned.

- dadeadhead



Not to mention he has records that will never be broken. He has both longevity AND yearly excellence. He may very well be the GOAT player.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 13 @ 6:07 PM ET
kick out moss


add 1 of these

largent
monk
bruce
wayne

- homiedclown

156 receiving TD’s for Moss. 2nd all time and stopped playing full time at 33.

TO and Rice played 5-7 years more.

Moss is the goat 🐐
JetpackJesus
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Honolulu, HI
Joined: 08.27.2007

Apr 13 @ 6:08 PM ET
We got t.0 when he was what 33 ? And the downside of his career how would dez not be bigger


Agreed with the Entertainment part

- gerbe75pts

Look up TO's stats the 3 years before he came to Buffalo (actually look at all of them). Then look up Dez's stats the last 3 years. There's your answer.
Couldn’t the argument be said that he had Hall of Famer QBs tossing him the ball ?
- gerbe75pts

Assuming this post was about TO, he had Young from 96-98 (Young played only 3 games in 99), Garcia, McNabb, Romo, Fitz/Edwards, and Palmer.

I guess one could make the argument, but (s)he shouldn't.
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