Taco, the Voice of Reason swimming in a bowl of Gerbes Ramon Noodles!

My take on “Shake-Up”
* if we get lucky & land Dah then i beleive we stand pat & should, minus the exodus of the “undesirables”

Defense-
Rasmus & Rasmus
Scandella-Nelson
McCabe - Bogosian/Antipin

Offense-
Rodrigues - Eichel - Okposo
Reinhart - ROR - Pominville
Bailey - Mittelstadt - Asplund
Josefson - Larson - Zemgus

Of course if we dont land number 1 i will have a completely different lineup without ROR
- MEBSabresFAN

So Botts is narcoleptic and slept through the entire offseason?

This is the best hockey league on the planet and that is who we have returning, (frank) me thats bad.

I've said in all of these things that I would be open to a trade.

I'm not open to a "gaustad for a first" deal for O'Reilly. That's how you get Girgensons.

I don't want to trade Risto unless we're picking 1st. Moving him for a winger is a huge problem.

I would trade Reinhart or Okposo for the right deal

I want it gutted, but I want different players gutted
- jcragcrumple

Stop using Girgensons as the status quo 1st round pick. Why can’t we a prospect like Filip Forsberg or Sam Girard in the deal? Why is that not possible?

Why is it not possible to replace Ryan O’Reilly when we need to?

Why is it not possible to replace a 2nd pairing D man making 5+ mil? We literally just replaced one 3 years ago

Taco, the Voice of Reason swimming in a bowl of Gerbes Ramon Noodles!

My take on “Shake-Up”
* if we get lucky & land Dah then i beleive we stand pat & should, minus the exodus of the “undesirables”

Defense-
Rasmus & Rasmus
Scandella-Nelson
McCabe - Bogosian/Antipin

Offense-
Rodrigues - Eichel - Okposo
Reinhart - ROR - Pominville
Bailey - Mittelstadt - Asplund
Josefson - Larson - Zemgus

Of course if we dont land number 1 i will have a completely different lineup without ROR
- MEBSabresFAN

Are you going to pick up and drop off Lehner from the loony bin everyday?

Maybe, just freaking maybe, that part of the reason we are in last place, is Ristolainen doing his own thing for 27 min a night. Or O’Reilly not being a threat for the 20 min a night he plays. Or just our team in general not having enough speed and talent in the top 6.

I seriously cannot believe you people don’t want this thing gutted outside of Eichel and a few of the rookies. It’s so, so, so bad and boring hockey
- sbroads24

Nice post Broads!

Stop using Girgensons as the status quo 1st round pick. Why can’t we a prospect like Filip Forsberg or Sam Girard in the deal? Why is that not possible?

Why is it not possible to replace Ryan O’Reilly when we need to?

Why is it not possible to replace a 2nd pairing D man making 5+ mil? We literally just replaced one 3 years ago
- sbroads24

Both outcomes are possible, but I laid out that in the pick range you suggested, the odds are that the player picked there has around a 50% chance of being 4th line or worse. I see no reason to take that risk.

Here's a trade to move some cap space: Bogo and Okposo for Bobby Ryan. Add as needed

ROR will bring a scoring winger for Eichel, trading Risto makes no sense.

Both outcomes are possible, but I laid out that in the pick range you suggested, the odds are that the player picked there has around a 50% chance of being 4th line or worse. I see no reason to take that risk.

Here's a trade to move some cap space: Bogo and Okposo for Bobby Ryan. Add as needed
- jcragcrumple

Mikhail Grigorenko and Nikita Zadorov we’re picks in that range, that 2-3 years later still had enough value to land someone like Ryan O’Reilly.

It will be an asset either way.

I understand completely that you really like ROR, and want to watch him play. I get it. I was this way with a few guys that Murray moved.

But at this point it just all needs to change. Like all of it. IMO of course

Short sighted!!

Now that’s hilarious.

I want to trade O’Reilly because he’s on the back end of his prime, and we need to start over to contend in the long term, but I’m short sighted.

You’re the one worried about making us “worse” in the now by trading these guys.

I’m not the one being short sighted
- sbroads24

Yes. It's both obnoxious and short sighted. It's obnoxious because not a single person here doesn't want huge changes and you know it. It's short sighted because when you gut a team, we're going to suck for years. If you don't give a poop, or just want the gerbe plan of all action and no plan, by all means, that's your prerogative. But I would prefer not to suck ass for another three years.

Here's my greater point on Risto. You just mentioned Myers, not by name as being replaced. He seems to be thriving on the second pairing, yes? What if, and call me (frank)ing crazy, we drop Risto to where he belongs instead of trading him for a different kind of dman or a couple picks. And to your point, there's so many problems with this team. Addressing every single one is impossible. Addressing the biggest ones is necessary. One of those is a lack luster ability on defense. Trading Risto CAN make this D better in certain trade scenarios along with a huge amount of luck. But why trade away a guy who's the only bright spot on a poopty back end if you can eventually add to him and slot him where he belongs. Like your blood brother in WPG.

Mikhail Grigorenko and Nikita Zadorov we’re picks in that range, that 2-3 years later still had enough value to land someone like Ryan O’Reilly.

It will be an asset either way.

I understand completely that you really like ROR, and want to watch him play. I get it. I was this way with a few guys that Murray moved.

But at this point it just all needs to change. Like all of it. IMO of course
- sbroads24

So if we trade ROR for that pick, that pick might be good enough in 3 years to be 1 piece in a trade to get a player as good as ROR?

Los Angeles was easily the worst skating team in the playoffs.

Gone in 4
- sbroads24

They looked like dinosaurs

The game is going back a speed game

Yes. It's both obnoxious and short sighted. It's obnoxious because not a single person here doesn't want huge changes and you know it. It's short sighted because when you gut a team, we're going to suck for years. If you don't give a poop, or just want the gerbe plan of all action and no plan, by all means, that's your prerogative. But I would prefer not to suck ass for another three years.

Here's my greater point on Risto. You just mentioned Myers, not by name as being replaced. He seems to be thriving on the second pairing, yes? What if, and call me (frank)ing crazy, we drop Risto to where he belongs instead of trading him for a different kind of dman or a couple picks. And to your point, there's so many problems with this team. Addressing every single one is impossible. Addressing the biggest ones is necessary. One of those is a lack luster ability on defense. Trading Risto CAN make this D better in certain trade scenarios along with a huge amount of luck. But why trade away a guy who's the only bright spot on a poopty back end if you can eventually add to him and slot him where he belongs. Like your blood brother in WPG.
- TheSabresTaco

This would be great. So ok how are we doing this without making trades where we’re giving up someone like Risto/Reinhart/O’Reilly who the only way anyone will move them is for a “haul”?

I don’t think we have to trade Risto, at all. I think regardless of anything, we need giant change, and every time someone mentions trading a guy, some of you act like we hold all the cards and teams are just gonna flock to us to prey the 31st place roster from our grips. Not happening. Botterill is going to have to do a ton a work

Trade them all.

ROR will bring a scoring winger for Eichel, trading Risto makes no sense.
- SABRES 89

This all depends on the draft lottery lets say we “win the 1st pick” maybe we sign John Carlson

That would be a pretty good pair in my mind

So if we trade ROR for that pick, that pick might be good enough in 3 years to be 1 piece in a trade to get a player as good as ROR?
- jcragcrumple

Maybe, and a young version at that.

We’re in mini tear down phase st this point

Maybe, and a young version at that.

We’re in mini tear down phase st this point
- sbroads24

That's terrible asset management. Change for change's sake

This all depends on the draft lottery lets say we “win the 1st pick” maybe we sign John Carlson

That would be a pretty good pair in my mind
- gerbe75pts

if that were the case:

Carlson Nelson
Risto McCabe
Dahlin Scandella

Still no reason to move Risto, that D group looks titties

if that were the case:

Carlson Nelson
Risto McCabe
Dahlin Scandella

Still no reason to move Risto, that D group looks titties
- washedup20

Carlson wants 6.5-7 a year, we don't need that and Nelson has no business playing on the 1st pair.

ROR will bring a scoring winger for Eichel, trading Risto makes no sense.
- SABRES 89

Either that or a #2 dman. Add if necessary. On board for both. There's way more reasons to trade Ryan than Risto.

That's terrible asset management. Change for change's sake
- jcragcrumple

Or we could just never really contend for a cup during the duration of O’Reilly’s contract, and let me walk as a 32-33 year old 3rd line center.

That sounds like excellent asset management

That's terrible asset management. Change for change's sake
- jcragcrumple

And my point was geared towards your worst case scenario of the pick not being great. Chances are it will still hold value for 2-3 years.

That's terrible asset management. Change for change's sake
- jcragcrumple

What is the point of keeping Ryan O’Reilly when we’re not even going to be close to a contender for maybe 3 more years and then considering the lockout His good years will be gone.

It would be smart to trade him when his value is high and we could get pieces to help us for the future

What is the point of keeping Ryan O’Reilly when we’re not even going to be close to a contender for maybe 3 more years and then considering the lockout His good years will be gone.

It would be smart to trade him when his value is high and we could get pieces to help us for the future
- gerbe75pts

Because we are exactly like the Colorado Avalanche or something

This would be great. So ok how are we doing this without making trades where we’re giving up someone like Risto/Reinhart/O’Reilly who the only way anyone will move them is for a “haul”?

I don't think we have to trade Risto, at all. I think regardless of anything, we need giant change, and every time someone mentions trading a guy, some of you act like we hold all the cards and teams are just gonna flock to us to prey the 31st place roster from our grips. Not happening. Botterill is going to have to do a ton a work
- sbroads24

This I agree with. It's a monumental task. We all know you must give to get, and we all know our perception as fans differs from the GMs perception. I have no problem trading most of the players on this team. But some of them can be built around. More than just Jack and Casey. Of course, as long as the right moves are made.

if that were the case:

Carlson Nelson
Risto McCabe
Dahlin Scandella

Still no reason to move Risto, that D group looks titties
- washedup20

Dahlin Is left that’s why I have him with Carlson

What is the point of keeping Ryan O’Reilly when we’re not even going to be close to a contender for maybe 3 more years and then considering the lockout His good years will be gone.

It would be smart to trade him when his value is high and we could get pieces to help us for the future
- gerbe75pts

Dude, he's 27, not 35.

And you have about 100 assumptions there

As for the good pieces, sounds like we'd have a good shot at an Ennis/Girgensons pick. Yippee.

Better off keeping him if we're getting scraps