Depends how important the Center position is to you

Are we a team that’s building a “top6”
Or are we building down the MIDDLE,
and filling in the wings around the centers?

I’m more of a “build down the middle” guy,
but it remains to be seen what Botts thinks

To be fair though....
We don’t necessarily have to keep ROR to build down the middle though
Rodrigues scored at a .5pts/game pace
Asplund is probably ready by 19-20, if not now
Pu & Davidsson coming too

So if one (or more) of those guys can be a legit Center for us...
then maybe we can afford to move O’Reilly & still be strong down the middle

Just don’t move ROR for this mid1st & a decent prospect crap
That a BS return for a good player
Trading him has to bring back a core piece
Not a pick that could just as easily turn out to be Girgensons as it could McAvoy
Don’t give me the pick,
give me the “McAvoy” type prospect
Then I’m ok trading ROR
*as long as Botts is confident about 1 of the centers coming

I think waiting a year makes the most sense
We can find out more about these other centers, and it gives Mitts a year to establish himself instead of throwing him right into the 2C slot
And ROR should still have good trade value
- jdfitz77

I am certain E-Rod can fill the 3rd line center roll


which regarding ROR, move him to LW or trade him


the lottery determine really what we need, if picking 1 we need a really good RD prospect and LW prospect

if picking #2, a LD and a RD prospect

if picking #3, a LD and a LW prospect


the lottery position is that important

Just how “involved” are they though?
Are they just sitting at the table...
or are they dictating who we pick?

There’s a huge difference
- jdfitz77

what I hear, she is not just sitting

We'd be right where we've been for 23 years since Jim Kelly retired. I'm fully in the 2 1sts, 2 2nds and 2 3rds camp. Get the guy. If they can avoid giving up next year's first, that's a HUGE win imo. If not, that's the price of doing business
- jcragcrumple

Bingo. You know what happens to Beane and Mcd if they don't find a QB in the next 2-3 years. they get fired. then we are bringing in a new coach and GM who wants his guys. SO he starts releasing and trading away the current regimes players and we are doing this all over again.

He’s an “ok” player

But it’s amusing to me how ppl on here bash guys that are actually good,
and are productive,
as being “overpaid”

And then turn around & ignore what little production we’d get from Pommer

10-12 goals for 5.6mil
How anyone can justify that is beyond me
- jdfitz77

It's amazing to me how you can't see the difference between a guy we traded and paid to be a franchise player, and a guy we literally took on so we could acquire a top 4 D man

She can sit there all she wants, if she overrides what the coach and GM want to do then there is a huge huge issue
- Stripes77

Kim and Terry are why Kane is gone, Tyrod got benched, and Miller moved on


and that is just the tip of the iceberg

Depends how important the Center position is to you

Are we a team that’s building a “top6”
Or are we building down the MIDDLE,
and filling in the wings around the centers?

I’m more of a “build down the middle” guy,
but it remains to be seen what Botts thinks

To be fair though....
We don’t necessarily have to keep ROR to build down the middle though
Rodrigues scored at a .5pts/game pace
Asplund is probably ready by 19-20, if not now
Pu & Davidsson coming too

So if one (or more) of those guys can be a legit Center for us...
then maybe we can afford to move O’Reilly & still be strong down the middle

Just don’t move ROR for this mid1st & a decent prospect crap
That a BS return for a good player
Trading him has to bring back a core piece
Not a pick that could just as easily turn out to be Girgensons as it could McAvoy
Don’t give me the pick,
give me the “McAvoy” type prospect
Then I’m ok trading ROR
*as long as Botts is confident about 1 of the centers coming

I think waiting a year makes the most sense
We can find out more about these other centers, and it gives Mitts a year to establish himself instead of throwing him right into the 2C slot
And ROR should still have good trade value
- jdfitz77

im retired

Kim and Terry are why Kane is gone, Tyrod got benched, and Miller moved on


and that is just the tip of the iceberg


- homiedclown

Why hasn't he resigned in San Jose yet?

He was going to FA regardless.

Kim and Terry are why Kane is gone, Tyrod got benched, and Miller moved on


and that is just the tip of the iceberg


- homiedclown

so they're 3 for 3?

im retired
- Sabresfan-365

It's tiring

It's tiring
- sbroads24

keep getting roped back in, its like drugs but there's no high

Bingo. You know what happens to Beane and Mcd if they don't find a QB in the next 2-3 years. they get fired. then we are bringing in a new coach and GM who wants his guys. SO he starts releasing and trading away the current regimes players and we are doing this all over again.
- ImThatGuy

The best QB in my adult life has been either Kyle Orton or TT, and I can't decide which one it is. I am so ready for someone good.

Bingo. You know what happens to Beane and Mcd if they don't find a QB in the next 2-3 years. they get fired. then we are bringing in a new coach and GM who wants his guys. SO he starts releasing and trading away the current regimes players and we are doing this all over again.
- ImThatGuy

Exactly, they can't win anything with AJ McCarron.

I think it's crazy that throughout the Bills almost 60-year history they have only drafted a QB in the first round three times.

keep getting roped back in, its like drugs but there's no high
- Sabresfan-365

Yes, but without the joker, there's no need for Batman. Yin and yang

keep getting roped back in, its like drugs but there's no high
- Sabresfan-365

Was it the, give me your ROY candidate D man for your overpaid 2nd line center part?

Kim and Terry are why Kane is gone, Tyrod got benched, and Miller moved on


and that is just the tip of the iceberg


- homiedclown

Not all of those things are bad

That is the Giants's GM's opinion of the day. You can also say with no risk you get no reward.
- GilPerreault11

I know this is two different things but:

Sabres tanked to get Eichel, dumb GM trades away a ton of draft picks to try to speed up the rebuild and traded away draft picks for players that turned out to be complimentary pieces and not core guys

Tank worked but the team sucks

Bills traded away a lot of dead weight (Watkins, Darby and Dareus during or before the season and Glenn and Tyrod after) team overachieved because they bought into what the coach was trying to build here. They now have a ton of draft picks to continue building. Do you trade away 4 of those picks for a QB (this is the difference as the QB is the most important position in the NFL) that may or may not be the guy? Also having him play behind an O-Line that was already struggling last year got worse with Wood and Richie retiring (Glenn barely played so that I don't care about) a defense that overachieved that lost it's starting MLB (very important in McDermott's scheme) and expect the same type of play they got out of them last year?

Yes it is a QB driven league, but those QB's need a team around them to make them winners. Brady lost the Super Bowl last year because their defense was more porous than Lehner in a shootout.

If it takes 3 picks to move up fine but I am not moving next years first. I am also not sold on any of these guys to give more than that away. I love Mayfield, but I am not sending 4 or 5 picks to get him.

What is the goal light people are talking about ?

Was it the, give me your ROY candidate D man for your overpaid 2nd line center part?
- sbroads24

might have been the faceoffs tbh

Yes, but without the joker, there's no need for Batman. Yin and yang
- jcragcrumple

im good with that, let alfred fight crime

The Ringer's Kevin Clark reports the Browns have "considered" drafting a quarterback with both the No. 1 and No. 4 overall picks.

It is highly unlikely this actually happens, but that does not mean it is a bad idea. The success rate of even first-round quarterbacks is shockingly low, but taking two of the top quarterbacks would give Cleveland a decent shot at landing one long-term starter. If both pan out, they would also have a valuable trade chip to acquire future assets. That said, developing one quarterback is difficult enough, and it would be a challenge to find enough practice reps for Tyrod Taylor and two rookies. Still, the fact the Browns have even considering an out-of-the-box idea like this is a good sign.

Then it sets back this franchise 5 years and he is looking for a new job

Not saying that it's right or wrong but that is the reality

If he finds someone he absolutely loves then sure go for it, but NOBODY outside of the select few in that draft discussion has any idea what they are thinking and who they like
- Stripes77

Sure...
but how successful are we the next 5 years with QBs like McCarron, Tyrod, Ej, etc?

We’ve seen how far u can get,
and it’s 1 “lucky” playoff appearance in forever

We really do need to find a QB
They just gotta make sure they’re right

Kim and Terry are why Kane is gone, Tyrod got benched, and Miller moved on


and that is just the tip of the iceberg


- homiedclown

Only one of those things was arguably bad. The Bills' offense was pathetic for weeks, 3 and outs left and right, D wore out because they were on the field constantly. Miller? Meh. Wasn't there something to him not wanting to be on a rebuilding team and also being closer to the wife out West when he had a chance to be a FA? Not sure he wanted to live in the Elmwood Village while she was in LA.

I know this is two different things but:

Sabres tanked to get Eichel, dumb GM trades away a ton of draft picks to try to speed up the rebuild and traded away draft picks for players that turned out to be complimentary pieces and not core guys

Tank worked but the team sucks

Bills traded away a lot of dead weight (Watkins, Darby and Dareus during or before the season and Glenn and Tyrod after) team overachieved because they bought into what the coach was trying to build here. They now have a ton of draft picks to continue building. Do you trade away 4 of those picks for a QB (this is the difference as the QB is the most important position in the NFL) that may or may not be the guy? Also having him play behind an O-Line that was already struggling last year got worse with Wood and Richie retiring (Glenn barely played so that I don't care about) a defense that overachieved that lost it's starting MLB (very important in McDermott's scheme) and expect the same type of play they got out of them last year?

Yes it is a QB driven league, but those QB's need a team around them to make them winners. Brady lost the Super Bowl last year because their defense was more porous than Lehner in a shootout.

If it takes 3 picks to move up fine but I am not moving next years first. I am also not sold on any of these guys to give more than that away. I love Mayfield, but I am not sending 4 or 5 picks to get him.
- Stripes77

I would love, love, love that problem. Just get me the QB. And I know Nick Foles just won the super bowl, but I still want Carson Wentz

might have been the faceoffs tbh
- Sabresfan-365

Oh. That gives me seizures

What? Groy is a better center than Eric Wood last year.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Groy has started less than a dozen nfl games, not all of them at center. Not sure how much better groy was last year watching wood play while sitting on the bench?

Wood started all 16 games
Groy played well the last month or so 2016 when wood was hurt