U conveniently leave out what we lose by trading one of the better 2C in the league

The hate is strong with you
I’ll give u that
- jdfitz77

I didn't conveniently leave it out. in the role they've forced him into here, he's not one of the better 2C's in the league. I lay part of that blame on TM.

I get that you don't agree...but how is it nuts to think that 2 guys who are paid and played to be impact players that didn't make an impact are at fault?

The two of them were literally powerplay specialists this year+some defensive work by ROR (which outside of "my eyes" we can't really prove is in fact true).
- Sabresfan-365

How could Risto make an impact with a different guy next to him every other game?

Is he overplayed? Yes by about 4-5 mins a game.

Does he need someone stable back there as his partner? Yes, he needs a Mike Ramsey type guy as his partner.

IMO this team as a whole got a case of the O'Reilly's by about game 10.

Pegula jet headed to Ohio

The plot thickens

I get that you don't agree...but how is it nuts to think that 2 guys who are paid and played to be impact players that didn't make an impact are at fault?

The two of them were literally powerplay specialists this year+some defensive work by ROR (which outside of "my eyes" we can't really prove is in fact true).
- Sabresfan-365

It’s like saying that OEL & Chychrun were part of the problem for Arizona

Or Kane & Toews were the problem with Chicago

And on, and on, and on

90% of our team was just brutal for the 1st half
When there’s THAT MUCH GOING WRONG...
sure, u wanna see the talented guys playing better (even Jack could’ve been better!)
But expecting them to carrry all the AHL scrubs & terrible play from basically the whole roster just isn’t realistic

Even McDavid & Draisaitl couldn’t do that this year for the Oilers

I believe square one was trading for all these guys.

Why does the pick have to bust out? why can't it be another mittelstadt? or better? I recognize there's like a 30% chance a top 10 pick ends up being elite. But I also know there's a 100% chance ROR isn't anywhere close to that. At least in this scenario you're up 30% and 7.5 million.
- Sabresfan-365

Doesn't have to be, I certainly have more faith in Botts, but historically speaking, we do not draft the best player available and we have a penchant for drafting major busts. RoR is a good 2C. If he isn't, what does Team Canada not know that we do?

Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. Throw it at the wall...did it stick?

How could Risto make an impact with a different guy next to him every other game?

Is he overplayed? Yes by about 4-5 mins a game.

Does he need someone stable back there as his partner? Yes, he needs a Mike Ramsey type guy as his partner.

IMO this team as a whole got a case of the O'Reilly's by about game 10.
- dadeadhead

That's another way of saying he's a 2nd pair guy. I don't mind them keeping him if they can find 2 guys to play above him. I just think Risto would have to be included in a deal to land one.

Pegula jet headed to Ohio

The plot thickens
- gerbe75pts

Put-In-Bay..............

It’s like saying that OEL & Chychrun were part of the problem for Arizona

Or Kane & Toews were the problem with Chicago

And on, and on, and on

90% of our team was just brutal for the 1st half
When there’s THAT MUCH GOING WRONG...
sure, u wanna see the talented guys playing better (even Jack could’ve been better!)
But expecting them to carrry all the AHL scrubs & terrible play from basically the whole roster just isn’t realistic

Even McDavid & Draisaitl couldn’t do that this year for the Oilers
- jdfitz77

Except Mcjesus, draisaitl and OEL all have numbers indicating they drove the play, both in terms of scoring and possession, at all game states.

I don't expect them to carry a team. I expect them to carry themselves.

Someone tracked Zone entries over a 13 game span and ROR had fewer clean entries than Jordan Nolan.

Jordan (frank)ing Nolan. I don't care if it's only a 13 game sample, Nolan should not have more clean entries than your 7.5 million dollar Centre.

Doesn't have to be, I certainly have more faith in Botts, but historically speaking, we do not draft the best player available and we have a penchant for drafting major busts. RoR is a good 2C. If he isn't, what does Team Canada not know that we do?

Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. Throw it at the wall...did it stick?
- RhinoFan

Team Canada knows that with the right top 10 the rest of their team is kind of irrelevant.


Edit: how much did ROR actually play for Canada?

That's another way of saying he's a 2nd pair guy. I don't mind them keeping him if they can find 2 guys to play above him. I just think Risto would have to be included in a deal to land one.
- Sabresfan-365

Or it's more of saying hey Risto I know we said we were going to cut your ice time a bit to keep you fresh but.........., it's down to you and Marco to play with 4 AHLers this year so we need you to play 30 mins and do everything back there.

Typical Buffalo fan: Run player x out of town and watch him flourish elsewhere. We as a community of fans are famous for this and it needs to end here.

I didn't conveniently leave it out. in the role they've forced him into here, he's not one of the better 2C's in the league. I lay part of that blame on TM.
- Sabresfan-365

He is if u don’t ignore everything besides 5v5 scoring

Also...
i haven’t seen u guys even remotely acknowledge how Sam finally found his game once he was put on RORs wing
Seems obvious that ROR had something to do with the turnaround

Or it's more of saying hey Risto I know we said we were going to cut your ice time a bit to keep you fresh but.........., it's down to you and Marco to play with 4 AHLers this year so we need you to play 30 mins and do everything back there.

Typical Buffalo fan: Run player x out of town and watch him flourish elsewhere. We as a community of fans are famous for this and it needs to end here.
- dadeadhead

Typical Buffalo fan, didn't read the whole post.

- gerbe75pts

Cleveland is on the way to Dallas..........

He is if u don’t ignore everything besides 5v5 scoring

Also...
i haven’t seen u guys even remotely acknowledge how Sam finally found his game once he was put on RORs wing
Seems obvious that ROR had something to do with the turnaround
- jdfitz77

I'm not ignoring it. I just don't put as much emphasis on power play scoring as you do.

Im 99% certain Sam can still be a good 50 point player without ROR.

Typical Buffalo fan, didn't read the whole post.
- Sabresfan-365

How could I not read the whole thing it was 41 words and 3 sentences long.

Sources: Preferring one-year deal, Dez Bryant turns down Ravens' offer

This either sounds like a great deal for us or hint hint give me a call Patriots

http://www.espn.com/nfl/s...ct-offer-baltimore-ravens

How could I not read the whole thing it was 41 words and 3 sentences long.
- dadeadhead

That's exactly what i asked myself. I literally said in the second sentence "I don't mind them keeping him" and then later went on to say "I think they may have to include him in a deal to land a top pair guy".

You either chose to ignore it to serve your purpose on some fake buffalo theory that i don't even ascribe to or you literally missed it.

How could Risto make an impact with a different guy next to him every other game?

Is he overplayed? Yes by about 4-5 mins a game.

Does he need someone stable back there as his partner? Yes, he needs a Mike Ramsey type guy as his partner.

IMO this team as a whole got a case of the O'Reilly's by about game 10.
- dadeadhead

Is it really that hard for guys to see that Risto’s play would be better if we get Dahlin to pair with him?
No one really thinks Scandella is a legit top pair guy
And Risto has never played with a top pair guy

Or that O’Reilly would have better 5v5 numbers if he got to play with wingers that are legit?
Winnipeg’s line2 wingers are Laine & Ehlers
Yet analytics guys are mad ROR didn’t produce 5v5 with Pouliot & a brutal Okposo for half the year
Well no freaking crap
Neither would Scheiffle if he was stuck with those scrubs last year

It’s like saying that OEL & Chychrun were part of the problem for Arizona

Or Kane & Toews were the problem with Chicago

And on, and on, and on

90% of our team was just brutal for the 1st half
When there’s THAT MUCH GOING WRONG...
sure, u wanna see the talented guys playing better (even Jack could’ve been better!)
But expecting them to carrry all the AHL scrubs & terrible play from basically the whole roster just isn’t realistic

Even McDavid & Draisaitl couldn’t do that this year for the Oilers
- jdfitz77

My thinking all along hasn't changed: if they get Dahlin, 1-2 core pieces will move. Top 3, and 1 core piece will probably move. If they pick 4th, a core piece will be moved for the right price.

Pegula's letter didn't sound like a guy who wants to burn it down, he sounded like he's done losing

Sources: Preferring one-year deal, Dez Bryant turns down Ravens' offer

This either sounds like a great deal for us or hint hint give me a call Patriots

http://www.espn.com/nfl/s...ct-offer-baltimore-ravens
- gerbe75pts

Unless they do some serious reworking of some contracts, they don't have the cp space.

Is it really that hard for guys to see that Risto’s play would be better if we get Dahlin to pair with him?
No one really thinks Scandella is a legit top pair guy
And Risto has never played with a top pair guy

Or that O’Reilly would have better 5v5 numbers if he got to play with wingers that are legit?
Winnipeg’s line2 wingers are Laine & Ehlers
Yet analytics guys are mad ROR didn’t produce 5v5 with Pouliot & a brutal Okposo for half the year
Well no freaking crap
Neither would Scheiffle if he was stuck with those scrubs last year
- jdfitz77

He didn't produce with the born again Reinhart at 5v5 either

That's exactly what i asked myself. I literally said in the second sentence "I don't mind them keeping him" and then later went on to say "I think they may have to include him in a deal to land a top pair guy".

You either chose to ignore it to serve your purpose on some fake buffalo theory that i don't even ascribe to or you literally missed it.
- Sabresfan-365

And I said in the last part

"Typical Buffalo fan: Run player x out of town and watch him flourish elsewhere. We as a community of fans are famous for this and it needs to end here."

So either you ignored that i said WE meaning you, me, him, her, and the lamp post are famous for running guys out of town.

How's that for fake news?

Except Mcjesus, draisaitl and OEL all have numbers indicating they drove the play, both in terms of scoring and possession, at all game states.

I don't expect them to carry a team. I expect them to carry themselves.

Someone tracked Zone entries over a 13 game span and ROR had fewer clean entries than Jordan Nolan.

Jordan (frank)ing Nolan. I don't care if it's only a 13 game sample, Nolan should not have more clean entries than your 7.5 million dollar Centre.
- Sabresfan-365

I really do get it

But these guys have both been pretty decent - good, with CRAP all around them

If ROR is just a PP specialist,
imagine how good his other numbers would look if he had good wingers & didn’t take every defensive zone faceoff for us

And I said in the last part

"Typical Buffalo fan: Run player x out of town and watch him flourish elsewhere. We as a community of fans are famous for this and it needs to end here."

So either you ignored that i said WE meaning you, me, him, her, and the lamp post are famous for running guys out of town.

How's that for fake news?


- dadeadhead

That's twice now lol

I said may have to trade him to get someone for the top pair. That is not running him out of town

You and your community can do your thing. I'm not from Buffalo so this whole buffaluck, run them out of town, need to work hard and anti russian feel that runs through the local community is pretty much your thing (lamp posts seem pretty chill though).