Strong arm...good
He completed 1, 1 pass 40+ yards...1.
Because he is generally inaccurate.


Hey, we all want for him to succeed, but making excuses for bad results on the leading indicators is dubious at best.
- IonSabres

What about drops? What about poor route running? What about physically inferior receivers? Is that considered?

What do you guys have to loooose by being cautiously optimistic?

Nobody is going to change your opinion, or the others who think Allen is a bum and will be a bum, but all I and others are trying to point out is that opinion is far from a certainty.
- kingcong39

Absolutely true, no one knows for certainty.
I like the kid as a person, I want to pull for him
My beef isn’t with him...I do hope he has success.

My beef is with the Bills brass picking him there and all the capital expended to get what is likely, from many leading indicators (called analytics) that show he is probably 5 or 6 out of 6.
A known project, on a team that has not shown an ability to develop a QB in 20 years.
Coupled with they just signed a back-up QB to be his mentor.

It doesn’t look good, I’m sorry, it doesn’t.

I know two of them farmer boys. Big dopes.
- TheSabresTaco

I hated playing those big bastards. Power eye student body left sweeps at me all game long.

haters gonna hate

What about drops? What about poor route running? What about physically inferior receivers? Is that considered?
- TheSabresTaco

no, just like his senior bowl game with good wr's are not considered

I know two of them farmer boys. Big dopes.
- TheSabresTaco

glad someone got it

What about drops? What about poor route running? What about physically inferior receivers? Is that considered?
- TheSabresTaco

Read the article.
It is clear you are arguing generalities, and rhetoric.
Is the article the gospel...not by a long shot.
Does it do a good job of clarifying the rhetoric with facts and comparisons to other QB over time, yes.
It is another perspective that supports the concern the doubters like me have.

Absolutely true, no one knows for certainty.
I like the kid as a person, I want to pull for him
My beef isn’t with him...I do hope he has success.

My beef is with the Bills brass picking him there and all the capital expended to get what is likely, from many leading indicators (called analytics) that show he is probably 5 or 6 out of 6.
A known project, on a team that has not shown an ability to develop a QB in 20 years.
Coupled with they just signed a back-up QB to be his mentor.

It doesn’t look good, I’m sorry, it doesn’t.
- IonSabres

the bills brass looked harder at these 4 or 5 qb's then any other staff in bills history

that has to mean something, doesn't it?

I took the L.
- Hatboro_Swords

Wish u were right though

What do you guys have to loooose by being cautiously optimistic?
- TheSabresTaco

Nothing, when warranted.
He appears to be another Alex Nylander to me.

I want to get behind him, but holy crap the leading indicators don’t look good, and look worse when you strip away the rhetoric.

Read the article.
It is clear you are arguing generalities, and rhetoric.
Is the article the gospel...not by a long shot.
Does it do a good job of clarifying the rhetoric with facts and comparisons to other QB over time, yes.
It is another perspective that supports the concern the doubters like me have.
- IonSabres

and if we posted 10 articles that post why allen will be a really good pro qb, your not going to change


sit back, wait until preseason and trust the process

Wish u were right though
- jdfitz77

the bills brass looked harder at these 4 or 5 qb's then any other staff in bills history

that has to mean something, doesn't it?
- homiedclown

Yeah! They took their time and still (frank)ed it up!

No...I'm Allen's biggest fan now. I hear he also has insane vision. That's right up my ally.

I'm not saying he will be great. I'm saying to give him a (frank)ing chance. Saying "he will suck" is an opinion based on past performances on a different team running a different system. Look at what systems can do for players.
- TheSabresTaco

What does “give him a chance” even mean?
He’s gonna be our QB regardless of my opinion

Why does me hating the pick brother you so much?

I can only say i hope I’m wrong so many times

haters gonna hate
- homiedclown

And there’s it is...was waiting for it.
Lol

Nothing, when warranted.
He appears to be another Alex Nylander to me.
.
- IonSabres

this kid is a lot like big ben on the field


relax

- gerbe75pts

Hahahaha
Here’s a depressing read

https://www.sbnation.com/...tats-analysis-comparisons

I took the L.
- Hatboro_Swords

Hopefully 6 years from now we all can say thank God we took Josh allen

the bills brass looked harder at these 4 or 5 qb's then any other staff in bills history

that has to mean something, doesn't it?
- homiedclown

Of course
Also doesn’t mean my doubts don’t have any logic behind them

I do hope I’m wrong though

the bills brass looked harder at these 4 or 5 qb's then any other staff in bills history

that has to mean something, doesn't it?
- homiedclown

Well, maybe.
We’ll never know...but damn I wish I could see their board and been in on the discussion (listen mode only obviously) to see how they justified it.
My beef is not moving up, paying the price to get their #1 guy...it feels like they settled for #3.

Hahahaha
Here’s a depressing read

https://www.sbnation.com/...tats-analysis-comparisons
- jdfitz77

My brother texted me this morning saying we drafted a dumber Jay Cutler..

He's pissed that the Giants didn't trade the pick

Watch that video I posted Taco. The comment from Simms about how many screens the other top QB's threw compared to him helped inflate their completion percentages.
- kingcong39

His short range completion % was still bad

this kid is a lot like big ben on the field


relax
- homiedclown

Let’s hope so.