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MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

May 1 @ 12:42 AM ET
What’s that player comparison website called again ?
- HB77

I use Natural Stat Trick.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

May 1 @ 12:43 AM ET
I use Natural Stat Trick.
- MaximumBone

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Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

May 1 @ 12:47 AM ET
Near equal amounts of time spent on-ice with McDavid (~425 each).
- MaximumBone

Which would result in a slight scew towards higher numbers.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

May 1 @ 12:51 AM ET
I mean passing may be a foundational skill, but making quick correct decisions and soft hands to deliver in tight spaces and without time certainly aren’t a skill everyone possesses. At least not in anywhere close to the same level. And that difference in level can mean the difference in one who defaults to a dump to Center ice or a seam pass through potential trouble to a moving forward.

And again, are you implying that tmac is coaching his wingers to play a different style depending on which defenders are on the ice? Cause In a game of changes in the fly, that seems extremely u likely for any team that doesn’t possess a Brent burns or Erik Karlsson. Point is, even if tmacs coaching strategy, the fact remains klef and sekera don’t default to that dump out. Like larsson does.

- HB77

My implication is that if the coach is coaching him to reset or give it to his partner to breakout the puck.

As for the implication regarding the coaching, I'm saying that the coaches have the wingers too high for everyone. As a result, the only players who can break the puck out are ones that can make those longer stretch passes. They're naturally taught to stick to the system and pass the puck over to the players who have the skillset to make the play. On the plays they can't get it back to their partner cleanly, they're left with four options:

1.) Rim the puck around the glass to find you partner
2.) Chip the puck off the glass and out hoping it gets to the wingers
3.) Try to force the long pass risking an icing or the puck getting intercepted because he doesn't have the skillset to make the long pass
4.) Hope this is one of the breakouts where McDavid or Draisaitl are swinging low so they give you an outlet

Which choice do you pick if presented those options? Ideally they'd love to be able to make the easy 10-ft pass to an available forward who's already moving up the ice but that's made sparse by McLellan's positioning of the wingers high on in-zone defense and out in the neutral zone on breakouts.
AlEx_OiL
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Machu Picchu, AB
Joined: 02.28.2011

May 1 @ 12:54 AM ET
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

May 1 @ 12:56 AM ET
Which would result in a slight scew towards higher numbers.
- Iggysbff

What do you mean? The difference between their numbers would certainly impact GF% but doesn't really have much bearing on the HD chances against/60 and the conversion rate on such chances. As they have nearly the same amounts of time on ice, I don't think the skew plays in either players favour in any statistically significant way.

EDIT: Klefbom saw 418 mins and Larsson saw 443.
leonkennedy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 3 cups in 5 years = DYNASTY
Joined: 04.13.2012

May 1 @ 1:52 AM ET

- AlEx_OiL

You said it good buddy.
SJSharks39
San Jose Sharks
Location: I'm the OELest , CA
Joined: 11.14.2014

May 1 @ 2:05 AM ET
that paul martin is one helluva defenseman
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

May 1 @ 8:10 AM ET
that paul martin is one helluva defenseman
- SJSharks39

His beard is nice.
Reveen.
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 09.05.2016

May 1 @ 10:12 AM ET
His beard is nice.
- RafiDRW

Beards are for hipsters and lumbersexuals.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

May 1 @ 11:30 AM ET
What do you mean? The difference between their numbers would certainly impact GF% but doesn't really have much bearing on the HD chances against/60 and the conversion rate on such chances. As they have nearly the same amounts of time on ice, I don't think the skew plays in either players favour in any statistically significant way.

EDIT: Klefbom saw 418 mins and Larsson saw 443.

- MaximumBone

Screwing with you. Obviously McDavid minutes would improve his numbers. But without breaking down who else he was on with and how long and analyzing their numbers and getting out some calculus it is difficult to peg. And no I don’t buy Rel stats on their own.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

May 1 @ 11:31 AM ET
Beards are for hipsters and lumbersexuals.
- Reveen.

So which one is Schwein?
oilpatch
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 01.23.2014

May 1 @ 11:52 AM ET
I won't concede that he's totally inept at this because that's provably wrong. I will concede it's not his strong point but the frequency with which he dumps the puck out, rims it around or resets to his partner is inflated under Todd's method of breakout. I'm not saying he wouldn't do it if not under another coach, but if the same can be observed in Klefbom AND Sekera (two quality puckmovers), then the same WILL be true of Larsson (and the others).

So evidently not?

- MaximumBone



I do wonder if this is a result of poor coaching, or in fact this system is being used because of the incompetence of our D....
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

May 1 @ 12:27 PM ET
So which one is Schwein?
- Iggysbff


Neither. I’m a linguistically gifted red neck.
Reveen.
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 09.05.2016

May 1 @ 1:10 PM ET
So which one is Schwein?
- Iggysbff

I'm thinking more hipster
Reveen.
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 09.05.2016

May 1 @ 1:11 PM ET
Neither. I’m a linguistically gifted red neck.
- Wildschwein

The love spawn of a hipster and a pig.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

May 1 @ 1:14 PM ET
I'm thinking more hipster
- Reveen.


Can I have an example of a hipster? For comparison purposes and what not.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

May 1 @ 1:15 PM ET
The love spawn of a hipster and a pig.
- Reveen.


Sounds like a Laughs porno.
Sean Maloughney
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 09.26.2010

May 1 @ 1:18 PM ET
Oilers agree to a one year deal with goaltender Koskinen
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

May 1 @ 1:26 PM ET
Oilers agree to a one year deal with goaltender Koskinen
- freelancer


Coin?
Sean Maloughney
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 09.26.2010

May 1 @ 1:30 PM ET
Coin?
- Wildschwein

No word yet. Originally reported he wanted 2 years at 2.5. My guess is one year at that amount.
OilHead1989
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Oil Country, NT
Joined: 07.10.2010

May 1 @ 4:50 PM ET
Trade 10th pick Sekera to Ottawa for Pageu and Ceci.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

May 1 @ 9:50 PM ET
Trade 10th pick Sekera to Ottawa for Pageu and Ceci.
- OilHead1989

Hall Fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.01.2009

May 9 @ 5:19 PM ET
With another expansion, you have to think using the pick is the way to go. I mean if you can package it off for something with any value and part with Lucic's salary, then that is a win. He will have to take a protected spot anyways so it is good for the expansion as well. Russell is useless but he has a buyout clause on year 4 (I believe he is half price or something in the last year if bought out but I am too lazy to look that up).

Plus Chiarelli is absolutely useless with trades. The only thing that has improved is the scouting (although I still say Tkachuk is way better than Pulj will ever be). I think with scouting being as good as they have been, the Oilers might have an option to trade down maybe moving pick two up a bit in the process or grabbing a gamble prospect in the deal. Lots of big offensive dmen in the bottom 20 of the first round.
Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

May 9 @ 10:49 PM ET
With another expansion, you have to think using the pick is the way to go. I mean if you can package it off for something with any value and part with Lucic's salary, then that is a win. He will have to take a protected spot anyways so it is good for the expansion as well. Russell is useless but he has a buyout clause on year 4 (I believe he is half price or something in the last year if bought out but I am too lazy to look that up).

Plus Chiarelli is absolutely useless with trades. The only thing that has improved is the scouting (although I still say Tkachuk is way better than Pulj will ever be). I think with scouting being as good as they have been, the Oilers might have an option to trade down maybe moving pick two up a bit in the process or grabbing a gamble prospect in the deal. Lots of big offensive dmen in the bottom 20 of the first round.

- Hall Fan

GOOD to see you, pal, how have you been?
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