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HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 12:59 AM ET
Classic calling someone out on a typo lol

I just find this funny how upset you get over this. you make a ridiculous statement about what you want in a clearly lopsided trade with no logic or intelligence behind it, and then I do the same to mock you and I'm the one who is stupid.

Definition of the Pot calling the kettle black

- Prospy1493

There was nothing ridulous about it.

Assuming in this scenario risto is available, a top ten pick is certainly among the type of assets that would be a reasonable base return.

Would u like me to make a list of undoubtedly superior players that have went for a package centered around a high first?

Without even getting into sekeras value which isn’t nil by any stretch before his injury ->asolid 2nd pairing dman in 2017 by every metric available. which incidentally is all risto really is at this point in his career as well. but I’ll grant seks is certainly a question mark now because of his injury at his age. But even with that said, a bounce back is entirely within the realm of possibility. Even likely if he’s healthy.

Either way, the real crux is that adding those dollars is the only way we could make the deal work. Whether u like it or not. Someone mentioned risto, I came up with the type of scenario and assets we’d have to use to get it done from our side.
Or at the very least- the first +something middling only if we had something in place to jettison a significant contract elsewhere

And again, if risto is available at his age, theres absolutely alarm bells which could also effect his perceived value

What your preferred return might be doesn’t change the fact that my offer wasn’t awful by any stretch. Maybe someone will bite on something huge. Of course there’s alwsys that possibility for young defenders (again under the assumption he’s available) but don’t be shocked if they don’t. I mean some dude on buffalo radio absolutely ripped him just today.

And Even if it was meant to be hyperbole, Your Connor retort wasn’t in the same stratosphere. Mine was rational, yours, well, wasn’t
Prospy1493
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 07.19.2012

Apr 30 @ 1:12 AM ET
There was nothing ridulous about it.

Assuming in this scenario risto is available, a top ten pick is certainly among the type of assets that would be the base return.

Would u like me to make a list of undoubtedly superior players that have went for a high first?

Without even getting into sekeras value (which isn’t nil by any stretch before his injury - a solid 2nd pairing dman in 2017 by every metric available- but is certainly a question mark now because of his injury and age)
Either way, Adding those dollars is the only way we could make the deal work. Whether u like sekera or not.

And again, if risto is available at his age, that’s absolutely alarm bells and could effect his perceived value


Even if it was meant to be hyperbole, Your Connor retort wasn’t in the same stratosphere. Mine was rational, yours, well, wasn’t

- HB77


Risto is 7 years younger then him and a far better D-man who plays in a bunch of different scenarios. the two contracts between Risto and Sekera are almost identical in term with Sekera costing an extra 100K, so your logic of a salary dump makes no sense whatsoever. Sekera is on the wrong side of 30 and like you said has injury history I should know he use to be a Sabre and we got rid of him because he is nothing special and your boy Peter C does what he does best and sign old players to long term deals to (frank) his team going forward. Sekera is a Top 6 D max. Also the only place where Ive seen anyone talk about Risto being available is a blogger for the Oilers(SHOCKER) Do you honestly think that a team would trade its current best defenseman on the team that lacks defensive depth just because theyre drafting a defense. Give your head a shake, your opinion was not rational at all. it was by far the stupidest thing I've ever hear. There is not one valid point you brought up. Roles reversed and I proposed this deal to you, you'd be in stitches laughing because its such a joke. But nice try though
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 1:24 AM ET
Risto is 7 years younger then him and a far better D-man who plays in a bunch of different scenarios. the two contracts between Risto and Sekera are almost identical in term with Sekera costing an extra 100K, so your logic of a salary dump makes no sense whatsoever. Sekera is on the wrong side of 30 and like you said has injury history I should know he use to be a Sabre and we got rid of him because he is nothing special and your boy Peter C does what he does best and sign old players to long term deals to (frank) his team going forward. Sekera is a Top 6 D max. Also the only place where Ive seen anyone talk about Risto being available is a blogger for the Oilers(SHOCKER) Do you honestly think that a team would trade its current best defenseman on the team that lacks defensive depth just because theyre drafting a defense. Give your head a shake, your opinion was not rational at all. it was by far the stupidest thing I've ever hear. There is not one valid point you brought up. Roles reversed and I proposed this deal to you, you'd be in stitches laughing because its such a joke. But nice try though
- Prospy1493


No I actually don’t think they’ll deal him just cause they’re getting dahlin. I actually mentioned just that in another post.
This was a response to a scenario in which he is available. Which wasn’t a blogger but an oilers journalist. But either way, his actual availability is irrelevant at this this point. Don’t strawman my argument. I never said it was fact.

And how does the salary dump not make sense? You’re giving away 5 mil- well we have to give back some money. What’s confusing about this ? And u keep talking about sekera. The piece you’re getting is the first! But we can’t take all 5 mil!! Jesus kid, try and keep up

And Either way, his fancies this year are absolutely abysmal. Dude just got ripped on buffalo radio just today actually.

It’s funny cause here’s someone with actual numbers that not only doesn’t agree with you, but isn’t even sure risto is worth a top ten after this last season. Your opinion is all homer nonsense.
You don’t have a fuking clue what you’re talking about. Read the whole thread and educate yourself son

https://mobile.twitter.co...twcon%5E7100%7Ctwterm%5E0

I actually like risto. But since you spouted off- By the numbers, he’s our matt benning except better on the pp and worse defensively.

“You haven’t made one valid point “-> yeah cause offering a list of a bunch of other players of his caliber (and better) going for a similar package isn’t valid. Where did you learn to debate ?

I’m bored with you now. Cause I own you. Buh bye.

Insert multiple laugh emoticons here*
Prospy1493
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 07.19.2012

Apr 30 @ 1:41 AM ET
No I actually don’t think they’ll deal him just cause they’re getting dahlin. I actually mentioned just that in another post.
This was a response to a scenario in which he is available.
And again, his fancies this year are absolutely abysmal. Dude just got ripped on buffalo radio just today actually.

It’s funny cause here’s someone with actual numbers that not only doesn’t agree with you, but isn’t even sure risto is worth a top ten after this last season. Your opinion is all homer nonsense.
You don’t have a fuking clue what you’re talking about. Read the thread and educate yourself son

https://mobile.twitter.co...twcon%5E7100%7Ctwterm%5E0

I actually like risto. But since you spotted off, By the numbers, he’s our matt benninmg except better on the pp amd worse defensively .

Insert multiple laugh emoticons here*

- HB77


Buffalo Radio guys are known for just poopting all over our team so I'm not surprised by that at all actually

And yes I "educated" myself with your cute chart which again was written by an Oilers Blogger....I'm noticing a trend here.....

Anyways I looked at it and on paper your right Benning does look as good as Risto until you actually break down those numbers.

The stats comparing the two, you have Benning having to play 10 more games to equal the amount of minutes of Risto. So to start Risto is playing way more minutes a night leading to more fatigue during the game where these stats are getting measured. Also hes a top pairing defense which means hes going up against every other teams best payers day in day out. Benning is only a top 4 so hes not facing the top lines as much as Risto is. Taking nothing away for Benning because for his postion and role hes great. But you cant just break them down based on of zone entries and possession numbers unless they are playing in the same role. You cant compare a 3rd line center to a 1st, same thing applies on the backend.

So because you overlook simple logic for a bar graph with no way of being accurate you now get this


Prospy1493
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 07.19.2012

Apr 30 @ 1:44 AM ET


I’m bored with you now. Cause I own you. Buh bye.

Insert multiple laugh emoticons here*

- HB77


Oh right you "owned me" by constantly editing your comment
You're so cute when you're angry
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 1:47 AM ET
Buffalo Radio guys are known for just poopting all over our team so I'm not surprised by that at all actually

And yes I "educated" myself with your cute chart which again was written by an Oilers Blogger....I'm noticing a trend here.....

Anyways I looked at it and on paper your right Benning does look as good as Risto until you actually break down those numbers.

The stats comparing the two, you have Benning having to play 10 more games to equal the amount of minutes of Risto. So to start Risto is playing way more minutes a night leading to more fatigue during the game where these stats are getting measured. Also hes a top pairing defense which means hes going up against every other teams best payers day in day out. Benning is only a top 4 so hes not facing the top lines as much as Risto is. Taking nothing away for Benning because for his postion and role hes great. But you cant just break them down based on of zone entries and possession numbers unless they are playing in the same role. You cant compare a 3rd line center to a 1st, same thing applies on the backend.

So because you overlook simple logic for a bar graph with no way of being accurate you now get this



- Prospy1493


“The numbers lie” “the oilers guy doctored them”

What a waste of time.

K.
I’m Over it


HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 1:47 AM ET
Oh right you "owned me" by constantly editing your comment
You're so cute when you're angry

- Prospy1493

Yeah I thought that was a nice touch too.

“Risto for a first and sekera is comparable to Connor for moulson and a 3rd”

What was I thinking debating with someone that would write this tripe ?

Prospy1493
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 07.19.2012

Apr 30 @ 1:52 AM ET
“The numbers lie” “the oilers guy doctored them”

What a waste of time.

K.
I’m Over it

- HB77



Good to see the easiest way to annoy you is using logic
Prospy1493
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 07.19.2012

Apr 30 @ 1:53 AM ET
Yeah I thought that was a nice touch too.

“Risto for a first and sekera is comparable to Connor for moulson and a 3rd”

What was I thinking debating with someone that would write this tripe ?

- HB77


Quote taken out of context, damn man youre pulling out all the stops to make yourself look good lmao
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 1:55 AM ET
Quote taken out of context, damn man youre pulling out all the stops to make yourself look good lmao
- Prospy1493

You did a good job of that all by yourself .
But thanks anyway
Prospy1493
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 07.19.2012

Apr 30 @ 1:57 AM ET
You did a good job of that all by yourself .
But thanks anyway

- HB77

Oh no folks we stunned him! he's wobbling up against the ropes it looks like hes going down! Youve said youre done 3 different times alreaady and just keep coming back for more

cmon get up Rock get up!
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Apr 30 @ 2:01 AM ET
he made a ton of mistakes. But yep.

Saying he was Way better really shows the absolute incompetence of chiarelli

- HB77

He would’ve been fine if he would’ve just kept his mouth shut and played his cards a little tighter to his chest.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:05 AM ET
He would’ve been fine if he would’ve just kept his mouth shut and played his cards a little tighter to his chest.
- Ihatebrianburke

Agreed.

One was probably too apprehensive to make a move- the other was way too cavalier with forcing them.
Having Connor might make it easier, but as u said, just shut up and keep your poker face brah
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Apr 30 @ 2:51 AM ET
When you guys continue to fail to make the playoffs and Chia finally gets canned, you’re going to be starting from scratch again with nothing in your cupboards. 👍
- TandA4Flames

Incorrect madame. We would still have Connor McDavid, who I would take over your entire team. So suck it
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Apr 30 @ 3:16 AM ET
If there is any chance at all of Ristolainen being available we need to jump all over it. Love watching him play. Doubt Buffalo trades him though. They would be stupid to. Have him to insulate Dahlin on the right side, rather than just throwing him to the wolves on the first pairing right out of the gate.

But if they would...
To Edmonton: Ristolainen,
To Buffalo: 10th overall, Sekera, 3rd rounder
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Apr 30 @ 9:32 AM ET
If there is any chance at all of Ristolainen being available we need to jump all over it. Love watching him play. Doubt Buffalo trades him though. They would be stupid to. Have him to insulate Dahlin on the right side, rather than just throwing him to the wolves on the first pairing right out of the gate.

But if they would...
To Edmonton: Ristolainen,
To Buffalo: 10th overall, Sekera, 3rd rounder

- Ihatebrianburke


Sorry but I find it hard to see Sekera waiving to go back to Buffalo when he already fled that hole once before.
Reveen.
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 09.05.2016

Apr 30 @ 10:15 AM ET
I miss MacTavish.
- Larsson_fan


He's just as bad if not worse
Reveen.
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 09.05.2016

Apr 30 @ 10:18 AM ET
Are you kidding me? The Flames are amazing, they just had a poopty coach.
- Larsson_fan


You mean string of poopty coaches or is it an overrated team ?
Reveen.
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 09.05.2016

Apr 30 @ 10:24 AM ET
Oh no folks we stunned him! he's wobbling up against the ropes it looks like hes going down! Youve said youre done 3 different times alreaady and just keep coming back for more

cmon get up Rock get up!

- Prospy1493


I'm happy to see the Sabres buck the trend of failure... how many years have they been tanking for the 1st overall pick only to miss out. Kinda like making it to Superbowl four straight years only to lose every one. Must be something in the water in Buffalo.

geta02it
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 11.10.2007

Apr 30 @ 10:52 AM ET
Incorrect madame. We would still have Connor McDavid, who I would take over your entire team. So suck it
- Ihatebrianburke


So based on that and given the current development of cloning... the Oilers lineup will be...

McDavid McDavid McDavid
McDavid McDavid McDavid
Lucic McDavid McDavid

McDavid McDavid
McDavid McDavid
Russel McDavid

Some unknown AHL goalie
Some bad career back up

Love you guys...
Prospy1493
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 07.19.2012

Apr 30 @ 12:49 PM ET
I'm happy to see the Sabres buck the trend of failure... how many years have they been tanking for the 1st overall pick only to miss out. Kinda like making it to Superbowl four straight years only to lose every one. Must be something in the water in Buffalo.


- Reveen.


Yeah and we finally pick 1st for the first time in 30 years, Youve picked first 4 different times in the last 10, so whats your excuse for your team being a complete dumpster fire besides McDavid


We might be similar to the Bills but you guys are an identical blueprint of the Cleveland Browns
Prospy1493
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 07.19.2012

Apr 30 @ 12:51 PM ET
So based on that and given the current development of cloning... the Oilers lineup will be...

McDavid McDavid McDavid
McDavid McDavid McDavid
Lucic McDavid McDavid

McDavid McDavid
McDavid McDavid
Russel McDavid

Some unknown AHL goalie
Some bad career back up

Love you guys...

- geta02it


Lucic & Russel are too high in the lineup, you're talking to Oiler fans here so you can't use logic or facts with them, you might also need to type slower so they can follow your point properly
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Apr 30 @ 12:53 PM ET
Yeah and we finally pick 1st for the first time in 30 years, Youve picked first 4 different times in the last 10, so whats your excuse for your team being a complete dumpster fire besides McDavid


We might be similar to the Bills but you guys are an identical blueprint of the Cleveland Browns

- Prospy1493


You’re “special” aren’t you?
Prospy1493
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 07.19.2012

Apr 30 @ 1:00 PM ET
You’re “special” aren’t you?
- Iggysbff


Well everyone is special so yeah

Not as special as yourself or the rest of the people in Alberta, we ride normal buses not short ones so you guys got me beat there
Confidenceking77
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Confidence Capital, BC
Joined: 12.24.2017

Apr 30 @ 1:06 PM ET
Well everyone is special so yeah

Not as special as yourself or the rest of the people in Alberta, we ride normal buses not short ones so you guys got me beat there

- Prospy1493

How dare You!!! Iggy doesn't ride that bus, he's the owner/operator
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