I would love for you to break it down for me because the original point that I am still laughing about it this trade:

Risto + a 3rd Rounder for Sekera + a 1st Rounder. I would love for someone to explain who in their right mind thinks this is a fair value trade

Risto has put up on average 40 points over the last 3 season and is 23 years old with 4 years remaining at 5.4M. Also playing the 4th most minutes in the entire league and is completely overused all the time

Sekera has put up on average 33 points and is 31 years old with 3 years remaining at 5.5M, also playing close to 20 minutes a game, almost a full 6 minutes less a night.

So please explain how someone who is 8 years younger and a better point producer with his whole career still ahead of him is fair value for a 31 year old just because you give us a 1st rounder and we still have to give you a 3rd rounder in return for whatever reason.

I would actually like to hear your opinion on this about which parts you thought I argued poorly but first we have to be arguing the same thing which I feel got lost in these post with HB77 only taking little snippets of my argument instead of the whole thing

- Prospy1493

The first is the asset that garners risto. For Fuk sake man. Why can’t u grasp that?
But sekera is for the dollars we need to give back and an asset that pre injury was a 2nd pairing defender. (Which is all risto really is at this point as well despite his pp numbers)
Now of course sekera is a gamble because of that injury. And yes certainly, that could sour takers on his value. But there’s plenty of evidence that he could very well return to a solid 2nd pairing guy. And that alone at least doesn’t give him negative value in the truest sense. But regardless, he’s not the piece we ponying for risto.
It’s the first.
Not just sekera. The first. Is this clear ?

But No, sekera is not worth risto straight up. That was never implied. Please, read it again before u explain why risto is worth more than sekera.
Sekera is not worth risto straight up. Ristos points are probably overrated because the rest of his game was so weak last year, but nonetheless, tons of potential and still young. Which is why we’d offer the first +

Sekera is not the base asset that we’re hoping piques buffalos attention. He’s the addition for numerous reasons stated.
Please do not explain why risto is worth more than sekera again.
We know that risto is worth more than sekera.
Ok? Is this clear? Do you understand ?

Also, you very well could convince a desperate gm to overpay for risto, but quite possibly not. And this wouldn’t be surprising in the least. And as stated, many many players of Ristos caliber and better have went for a base package of top 10 first value. Plus a little more.

Maybe you think risto is worth leon or something. But after last season, he’s not. He’s not that caliber. And regardless of the incessant inane emoticons and first overalls you point to, you’d still be wrong about that.

Maybe it’s wasn’t the package one would jump through hoops to sign, but You completely overracted and overplayed your hand based on some silly homer nonsense. Which is exactly what that Hanley dude used to do. Which is why I still think it’s the same guy.

Hey no judgement here, I'm a big fan of your work today.
- leonkennedy

Not surprising. You’re both morons.

Here I'll relate this to you because you seem to be a Klefbom fan. He's currently your best defenseman, and lets just say somehow you won the Draft and could get Dahlin

Would you trade Klefbom and a 3rd for Edler and a 1st? Just because you are drafting Dahlin or would you keep both younger players going forward?
- Prospy1493

No, no. Again, This is a strawman.
Do you know what that is?

That was never stated that they will or even should. Nothing of the sort.
Someone mentioned that there was rumour and the entire debate was predicated on the assumption that he was

But no, you don’t have to trade him. We don’t know for sure that he is being traded.
Ok? Is this clear?

Are you unaware that "speller" is an actual word? Maybe concentrate more on (frank)ing off, and less on words you don't know.
- leonkennedy

I know it's a word... Just rarely hear/read it nowadays since I'm not in elementary school anymore

The first is the asset that garners risto. For Fuk sake man. Why can’t u grasp that?
But sekera is for the dollars we need to give back and an asset that pre injury was a 2nd pairing defender. (Which is all risto really is at this point as well despite his pp numbers)
Now of course sekera is a gamble because of that injury. And yes certainly, that could sour takers on his value. But there’s plenty of evidence that he could very well return to a solid 2nd pairing guy. And that alone at least doesn’t give him negative value in the truest sense. But regardless, he’s not the piece we ponying for risto.
It’s the first.
Not just sekera. The first. Is this clear ?

But No, sekera is not worth risto straight up. That was never implied. Please, read it again before u explain why risto is worth more than sekera.
Sekera is not worth risto straight up.
He is not the base asset that we’re hoping piques buffalos attention. He’s the addition for numerous reasons stated.
Please do not explain why risto is worth more than sekera again.
We know that risto is worth more than sekera.
Ok? Is this clear? Do you understand ?

Also, you very well could convince a desperate gm to overpay for risto, but quite possibly not. And this wouldn’t be surprising in he least. And as stated, many many players of Ristos caliber and better have went for a base package of top 10 first value. Plus a little more.

Maybe you think risto is worth leon or something. But after last season, he’s not. He’s not that caliber. And regardless of the incessant inane emoticons and first overalls you point to, you’d still be wrong about that.

You completely overracted and overplayed your hand based on some silly homer nonsense. Which is exactly what that Hanley dude used to do. Which is why I still think it’s the same guy.
- HB77

But you are taking this without the fact that we have the first overall pick and are picking a top pairing Defenseman. On paper I get where you see the fair value between what you are offering. But you already have an NHL defense in Risto whether his stats or corsi say he's a top 2 or 4 defenseman, he's still a young promising D on an already young team. I understand youre giving up a 1st for his services but that player that would be drafted wont make an impact for 2-3 years. Sekera is a Top 4 D max so the 3rd round pick in return for him does make sense. The problem I have with you assessment is not the value of the actual trade but the situation that the Sabres are in. There defense is awful so just because were drafting a D doesnt mean you ship out your current best D even if on paper you have a fair value trade in your opinion. What would you rather have 2 young D under the age of 24 with a Top 4 spot at least to a potenital Top 2. Or a D who is on the wrong age of 30 who might equal his best year but nothing more, plus a 1st round pick who might pan out to a NHL player but might not. Thats why your argument makes no sense to me

No, no. Again, This is a strawman.
Do you know what that is?

That was never stated that they will or even should. Nothing of the sort.
Someone mentioned that there was rumour and the entire debate was predicated on the assumption that he was

But no, you don’t have to trade him. We don’t know for sure that he is being traded.
Ok? Is this clear?
- HB77

Equally my point but you are trying to convince me that it is a fair value trade which it is not

But you are taking this without the fact that we have the first overall pick and are picking a top pairing Defenseman. On paper I get where you see the fair value between what you are offering. But you already have an NHL defense in Risto whether his stats or corsi say he's a top 2 or 4 defenseman, he's still a young promising D on an already young team. I understand youre giving up a 1st for his services but that player that would be drafted wont make an impact for 2-3 years. Sekera is a Top 4 D max so the 3rd round pick in return for him does make sense. The problem I have with you assessment is not the value of the actual trade but the situation that the Sabres are in. There defense is awful so just because were drafting a D doesnt mean you ship out your current best D even if on paper you have a fair value trade in your opinion. What would you rather have 2 young D under the age of 24 with a Top 4 spot at least to a potenital Top 2. Or a D who is on the wrong age of 30 who might equal his best year but nothing more, plus a 1st round pick who might pan out to a NHL player but might not. Thats why your argument makes no sense to me
- Prospy1493

That’s fair

But to be clear. That wasn’t the argument.

That’s fair

But to be clear. That wasn’t the argument.
- HB77

But you cant just take the value of the trade without looking at the state of each team. If this was NHL GM mode youd probably get away with it but you have to take all factors into account

Dude cmon there's kids on this page, I dont want to see you makeout with your cousin
- Prospy1493

Yes, yes there is. At least one, for sure.

That’s fair

But to be clear. That wasn’t the argument.
- HB77

Klefbom + first for Risto and a prospect?

I mean just as a base obviously. Structure it around that.

But you cant just take the value of the trade without looking at the state of each team. If this was NHL GM mode youd probably get away with it but you have to take all factors into account
- Prospy1493

Of course one bases it off the team situation. That was always taken into account.

But it was taken into account with the assumption that risto Is potentially available. Which was stated ad nauseum in numerous posts

Klefbom + first for Risto and a prospect?

I mean just as a base obviously. Structure it around that.
- Oilers4Life14

Which prospect ?
Nylander or middlestadt?
Yeah maybe

Havent heard great things about nylander, but I’m just saying a prospect with a comparable pedigree to a top ten pick.

That said/ If either were available for said pick, There’s probably something wrong with him. Grab someone at 8, then immediately deal him for the sameish pick. Weird

But you are taking this without the fact that we have the first overall pick and are picking a top pairing Defenseman. On paper I get where you see the fair value between what you are offering. But you already have an NHL defense in Risto whether his stats or corsi say he's a top 2 or 4 defenseman, he's still a young promising D on an already young team. I understand youre giving up a 1st for his services but that player that would be drafted wont make an impact for 2-3 years. Sekera is a Top 4 D max so the 3rd round pick in return for him does make sense. The problem I have with you assessment is not the value of the actual trade but the situation that the Sabres are in. There defense is awful so just because were drafting a D doesnt mean you ship out your current best D even if on paper you have a fair value trade in your opinion. What would you rather have 2 young D under the age of 24 with a Top 4 spot at least to a potenital Top 2. Or a D who is on the wrong age of 30 who might equal his best year but nothing more, plus a 1st round pick who might pan out to a NHL player but might not. Thats why your argument makes no sense to me
- Prospy1493

I'm sure it has already been pointed out to you, and maybe finally sunk in, but this is where you missed the boat. The whole offer in question was based on the fact that Buffalo may be wanting to look at moving on from Risto, and the post was then based on what would need to be worked around the Edm first in order to get it done. Not your personal feelings on the player or how you think the team should proceed.

Then, it just got incredibly childish from there. Painfully. Repeatedly.

Which prospect ?
Nylander or middlestadt?
Yeah maybe

Havent heard great things about nylander, but I’m just saying a prospect with a comparable pedigree to a top ten pick.

That said/ If either were available for said pick, There’s probably something wrong with him. Or so they think anyways
- HB77

Was thinking Nylander when I wrote that Pretty sure Dahlin plays on the right side even though he is left handed.

The person picked at the tenth spot will likely be a defenseman.


Another great idea is somehow getting both Faulk and Skinner. One would assume that Klefbom and Nuge would be going back the other way however...

Was thinking Nylander when I wrote that Pretty sure Dahlin plays on the right side even though he is left handed.

The person picked at the tenth spot will likely be a defenseman.


Another great idea is somehow getting both Faulk and Skinner. One would assume that Klefbom and Nuge would be going back the other way however...
- Oilers4Life14

Another great idea is you (frank)ing off

Another great idea is you (frank)ing off
- Iggysbff

I thought you got banned for calling a ref a "faggit"

Was thinking Nylander when I wrote that Pretty sure Dahlin plays on the right side even though he is left handed.

The person picked at the tenth spot will likely be a defenseman.


Another great idea is somehow getting both Faulk and Skinner. One would assume that Klefbom and Nuge would be going back the other way however...
- Oilers4Life14

I used to be on the fence, but I’ve decided we cannot part ways with nuge.

I’d love to have skinner and Faulk (skinners right at the top of my list this summer along with Oel->which is unlikely I’m sure

Buy without giving up nuge, I don’t see how we make it happen.

Heard there was rift with skinner and he’s mediocre defensively, so since they’ll be drafting a forward stud- he might be had for another pick or something.
But yeah- I don’t see how we get em both

Nuge Connor
? Leon


We can’t subtract nuge to fill that question mark imo

Klefbom + first for Risto and a prospect?

I mean just as a base obviously. Structure it around that.
- Oilers4Life14

Why are we trading Klefbom ?

I'm sure it has already been pointed out to you, and maybe finally sunk in, but this is where you missed the boat. The whole offer in question was based on the fact that Buffalo may be wanting to look at moving on from Risto, and the post was then based on what would need to be worked around the Edm first in order to get it done. Not your personal feelings on the player or how you think the team should proceed.

Then, it just got incredibly childish from there. Painfully. Repeatedly.
- Beergu

Again you don't take the situation of the current teams. In theory I understand why you guys made this trade, because it benefits your team by getting a younger defender while shipping off an older D with dollar amount that doesnt make sense at his age, but you only looked at this through the Oilers point of view. From the Sabres point of view although the value is there somewhat, going forward this trade makes no sense which is what I've been saying this whole time but I guess you missed the boat on that one

I would love for you to break it down for me because the original point that I am still laughing about it this trade:

Risto + a 3rd Rounder for Sekera + a 1st Rounder. I would love for someone to explain who in their right mind thinks this is a fair value trade

Risto has put up on average 40 points over the last 3 season and is 23 years old with 4 years remaining at 5.4M. Also playing the 4th most minutes in the entire league and is completely overused all the time

Sekera has put up on average 33 points and is 31 years old with 3 years remaining at 5.5M, also playing close to 20 minutes a game, almost a full 6 minutes less a night.

So please explain how someone who is 8 years younger and a better point producer with his whole career still ahead of him is fair value for a 31 year old just because you give us a 1st rounder and we still have to give you a 3rd rounder in return for whatever reason.

I would actually like to hear your opinion on this about which parts you thought I argued poorly but first we have to be arguing the same thing which I feel got lost in these post with HB77 only taking little snippets of my argument instead of the whole thing

- Prospy1493

Where we've gotta start is that I agree with you; it's not nearly enough. No matter how much one wants to believe Risto's faults negatively impact his value, it's not to the extent that you could downgrade it that much. Again, won't have the stats more in depth till I'm home which won't be for a few days. While you're here, what are your thoughts on something built around Klefbom for Ristolainen?

Not surprising. You’re both morons.
- Iggysbff

Did you spit out your breakfast meds again today?

I know it's a word... Just rarely hear/read it nowadays since I'm not in elementary school anymore
- Oilers4Life14

Ok so (frank)ed off from elementary school but won't (frank) off from here?

Where we've gotta start is that I agree with you; it's not nearly enough. No matter how much one wants to believe Risto's faults negatively impact his value, it's not to the extent that you could downgrade it that much. Again, won't have the stats more in depth till I'm home which won't be for a few days. While you're here, what are your thoughts on something built around Klefbom for Ristolainen?
- MaximumBone

Tough call on that one there because I find them to be similar players so I don't see the point in either franchise moving them unless you are looking at this as a pure hockey trade where a new environment might jump start both of them. At the same time though theyre both on really good deals for years to come so at this point I would just sit on both of them for another year or two and just see them develop

Why are we trading Klefbom ?
- Reveen.

He's a bandaid and isn't really all that good at playing the defense

I used to be on the fence, but I’ve decided we cannot part ways with nuge.

I’d love to have skinner and Faulk (skinners right at the top of my list this summer along with Oel->which is unlikely I’m sure

Buy without giving up nuge, I don’t see how we make it happen.

Heard they’re was rift with skinner and he’s mediocre defensively, so since they’ll be drafting a forward stud- he might be had for another pick or something.
But yeah- I don’t see how we get em both

Nuge Connor
? Leon

We can’t subtract nuge to fill that question mark imo
- HB77

Hypothetically if we can get James Neal cheap:

Neal-McDavid-Rattie
Skinner-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
Lucic-Strome-Kassian
Aberg-Khaira-Slepy

Nurse-Larsson
Sekera-Faulk
Russell-Benning

Talbot
Koskinen

Neal: 6 million (not sure what he'd get)
McDavid: 12.5 million
Rattie: Under a million

Skinner: 5,725 million (Also going to be a UFA after next season, also has a NMC)
Draisaitl: 8.5 million
Puljujarvi .925

Lucic: 6 million
Strome: 3 million
Kassian: 1.925 million

Aberg: .650 million
Khiara: 1 million
Slepy: 1 million

48,225,000 million

Nurse: 3 million (maybe?)
Larsson: 4.666 million

Sekera: 5.5 million
Faulk: 4.833 million

Russell: 4 million
Benning: 1 million

22,999,000 million

Talbot: 4.166 million
Koskinen: 2 million

6,166,000 million


That'd put Edmonton at 77,390,000 million + Pouliot's bought out contract (1.333 million). So basically right at the cap. But I think that's a better team.

Now obviously there's a lot of questions: Would Neal sign? Would Neal be worth that much? Would Skinner waive his NMC to play for Edmonton? If that team doesn't perform, how do they get out of cap purgatory?

Etc etc.

Also the right wing depth is still poop.