You gotta admit, Fitz ain't wrong.
- Der Kaiser

Mostly because people want to push him down a flight of stairs

But it's not just Bogo at that point you have to worry about.

ROR has 5 years left at $7.5 and Risto has 4 years at what $5.5? So if you move them you're signing Carlson for what? $7-$8 million so it's a $5 million savings but all of that is going to Reinhart most likey if he is still here.

Then you have Dahlin and Mittelstadt getting huge raises. With Jack making $10 million already? It is a scary scary situation.
- Stripes77

I didn't bring it up.

But I will admit, you two are terrible at this

The Value of Carrier in Vegas & Wilson in Washington suggest his proper line should be 4th-3rd line with his speed and checking ability. He should be paid at that lvl or goodbye

The Value of Carrier in Vegas & Wilson in Washington suggest his proper line should be 4th-3rd line with his speed and checking ability. He should be paid at that lvl or goodbye
- MEBSabresFAN

I'd trade for Tom Wilson any day of the week.

I'm *almost* sad we can't talk about the draft.

Sources tell me Sabres brass is considering Zadina 1st overall

You are stripping for me cause I know how to read? Damn the guys in LA have it easy with you....
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

I was jp

just for poops and giggles some stats:

Girgensons averaged 18.7 shifts per game and scored seven goals...here's a list of playoff teams with the number of players on them who've skated less than an average of 19 shifts/game and have scored seven or more goals:

PIT-0
LAK-0
TOR-1
SJS-1
TBL-2
WPG-2
PHI-2
NSH-2
CBJ-2
ANA-3
COL-3
BOS-4
NJD-4
VGK-4
WSH-4
MIN-5

bolded teams are still in the playoffs

not sure of the reason for the hate
- Michael Pachla

He plays with Eichel and drags the pace down. Girgs is the one player Eichel can't make considerably better. Pominville always gets a bump from 15

I was jp
- gerbe75pts

Don't get sensitive... i was "jp" as well

I didn't bring it up.

But I will admit, you two are terrible at this
- sbroads24

Me? I'm not sure I am following this

He plays with Eichel and drags the pace down. Girgs is the one player Eichel can't make considerably better. Pominville always gets a bump from 15
- jcragcrumple

the same Pominville that scored five pp goals leaving him with 11 total 5v5 goals which were only four more than gus?...

I think Pominville was as much of a drag on the top six as girgensons

Me? I'm not sure I am following this
- Stripes77

No, Kaiser and Fitz

http://www.wgr550.com/art...s-almost-reached-end-rope

oh my

Michael Pachla: Impressions of, and questions concerning--F, Zemgus Girgensons
- Michael Pachla

F gus is kind of harsh patches


just sayin

https://www.tsn.ca/off-se...-buffalo-sabres-1.1073301

Scott Cullen's offseason gameplan for the Sabres.

****Warning**** He also thinks we should trade O'Reilly

Has us getting Robbi Fabbri, Klim Kostin and Carter Hutton, and adding Conor Sheary.

http://www.wgr550.com/articles/news/sabres-fasching-has-almost-reached-end-rope

oh my
- homiedclown

Career minor leaguer.

I see no room for girgens or larsson on this roster come fall


square pegs in round holes don't work in buffalo

Career minor leaguer.
- jochfr

"In 69 games with the Amerks, Fasching had 12 goals and 18 assists for 30 points. He’s a slow skater and when the passion isn’t in his game, he’s useless to his team."

https://www.tsn.ca/off-season-game-plan-buffalo-sabres-1.1073301

Scott Cullen's offseason gameplan for the Sabres.

****Warning**** He also thinks we should trade O'Reilly

Has us getting Robbi Fabbri, Klim Kostin and Carter Hutton, and adding Conor Sheary.
- sbroads24

I've been really high on this idea lately

I see no room for girgens or larsson on this roster come fall


square pegs in round holes don't work in buffalo
- homiedclown

Unless the round hole is bigger than the square peg.

the same Pominville that scored five pp goals leaving him with 11 total 5v5 goals which were only four more than gus?...

I think Pominville was as much of a drag on the top six as girgensons
- Michael Pachla

Gus had 2 shorties, so I think he had 5 ev strength goals. I don't mind him on the 4th line, or as an extra forward, I just think we could do a lot better, and that's an easy piece to replace. If would could replace the 3rd from the Beaulieu trade, that would be great, but I would settle for a 5th or 6th just to get the bottom 6 faster.

https://www.tsn.ca/off-season-game-plan-buffalo-sabres-1.1073301

Scott Cullen's offseason gameplan for the Sabres.

****Warning**** He also thinks we should trade O'Reilly

Has us getting Robbi Fabbri, Klim Kostin and Carter Hutton, and adding Conor Sheary.
- sbroads24

ROR for Fabbri, Kostin- no thanks
Carter Hutton FA absolutely 2yr/$8mil would be great to platoon with Ullmark
Conor Sheary appearing out of nowhere, sure why not
But please no more Girgensons/ Larsson

"In 69 games with the Amerks, Fasching had 12 goals and 18 assists for 30 points. He’s a slow skater and when the passion isn’t in his game, he’s useless to his team."
- homiedclown

But we traded McNabb and 2 2nd rounders for him.

And GMTM loved the player. How can this be???

No, Kaiser and Fitz
- sbroads24

Ah gotcha, I haven't been following the latest with you guys

But the fact remains:

Going into the 2021-2022 season you'll have

Eichel $10 million
ROR $7.5 million (second last year)
Risto $5.4 million (last year)
Mittelstadt on year 2 of a new contract probably around $7 million
Dahlin going into his 1st year of his new contact around $8 million (hopefully if he is playing to potential)
Okposo $6 million (second last year)

$43.9 million on 6 players

That doesn't account whatever Reinhart's next deal is my guess at that time he is around $5.5 million

So almost $50 million tied up to 7 players

With no goalies

Even if the cap is at $90 million

$40 million to spread out to 2 goalies, 5 defensemen, and 9 forwards

16 players so an average of $2.5 million per player

You have to assume your starting goalies is around $6 million by then and his backup $1.5

$7.5 million

$32.5 million to sign 5 defensemen and 9 forwards

Typical 2nd pairing blue liners are making $3-$4 million say so there's another $7 million but if the cap is at $90 million that number is more like $5million-$6 million. Who knows how Guhle projects?

Bottom pairing guys can be guys making $1.5-$2 million but take into cap inflation you're at $2-$3 million per guy

So you're looking at $18 million for your forwards which you have 9 to sign

Okposo is playing on the 3rd line at this point so you need a top 6 winger which is $5 million at least

$13 million for 8 guys. Sure somewhere in your lineup you'll have guys on their ELC to save you so if you have 2 or 3 guys at $1 million each you're at $10 million for 5 guys. $2 million per player to fill out the rest of your lineup.

But you know there will be mistakes made with contracts, what if Dahlin is a Norris Winnner he is getting $10 million easily. What if Mittelstadt is a stud like we hope, he is getting $8 million.

You have to remember, if the cap goes up, salaries go up.

The cap will be a huge problem going forward because of guys like Okposo and ROR.

Sbroads is right, the time to move him is now.

I see no room for girgens or larsson on this roster come fall


square pegs in round holes don't work in buffalo
- homiedclown

we'll see...both he and lars are signed for one more season...i'm sure botts is not losing sleep over those two at this point

Ah gotcha, I haven't been following the latest with you guys

But the fact remains:

Going into the 2021-2022 season you'll have

Eichel $10 million
ROR $7.5 million (second last year)
Risto $5.4 million (last year)
Mittelstadt on year 2 of a new contract probably around $7 million
Dahlin going into his 1st year of his new contact around $8 million (hopefully if he is playing to potential)
Okposo $6 million (second last year)

$43.9 million on 6 players

That doesn't account whatever Reinhart's next deal is my guess at that time he is around $5.5 million

So almost $50 million tied up to 7 players

With no goalies

Even if the cap is at $90 million

$40 million to spread out to 2 goalies, 5 defensemen, and 9 forwards

16 players so an average of $2.5 million per player

You have to assume your starting goalies is around $6 million by then and his backup $1.5

$7.5 million

$32.5 million to sign 5 defensemen and 9 forwards

Typical 2nd pairing blue liners are making $3-$4 million say so there's another $7 million but if the cap is at $90 million that number is more like $5million-$6 million. Who knows how Guhle projects?

Bottom pairing guys can be guys making $1.5-$2 million but take into cap inflation you're at $2-$3 million per guy

So you're looking at $18 million for your forwards which you have 9 to sign

Okposo is playing on the 3rd line at this point so you need a top 6 winger which is $5 million at least

$13 million for 8 guys. Sure somewhere in your lineup you'll have guys on their ELC to save you so if you have 2 or 3 guys at $1 million each you're at $10 million for 5 guys. $2 million per player to fill out the rest of your lineup.

But you know there will be mistakes made with contracts, what if Dahlin is a Norris Winnner he is getting $10 million easily. What if Mittelstadt is a stud like we hope, he is getting $8 million.

The cap will be a huge problem going forward because of guys like Okposo and ROR.

Sbroads is right, the time to move him is now.
- Stripes77

If Dahlin is as good as billed, in 4 years, you might be looking at $12-$14 mill

Gus had 2 shorties, so I think he had 5 ev strength goals. I don't mind him on the 4th line, or as an extra forward, I just think we could do a lot better, and that's an easy piece to replace. If would could replace the 3rd from the Beaulieu trade, that would be great, but I would settle for a 5th or 6th just to get the bottom 6 faster.
- jcragcrumple

if they can do better, i'm fine with him not being on the team...but the narrative here is that he's totally useless or an 'f' as someone put it and i'm not sure I agree with that