Ah gotcha, I haven't been following the latest with you guys

But the fact remains:

Going into the 2021-2022 season you'll have

Eichel $10 million
ROR $7.5 million (second last year)
Risto $5.4 million (last year)
Mittelstadt on year 2 of a new contract probably around $7 million
Dahlin going into his 1st year of his new contact around $8 million (hopefully if he is playing to potential)
Okposo $6 million (second last year)

$43.9 million on 6 players

That doesn't account whatever Reinhart's next deal is my guess at that time he is around $5.5 million

So almost $50 million tied up to 7 players

With no goalies

Even if the cap is at $90 million

$40 million to spread out to 2 goalies, 5 defensemen, and 9 forwards

16 players so an average of $2.5 million per player

You have to assume your starting goalies is around $6 million by then and his backup $1.5

$7.5 million

$32.5 million to sign 5 defensemen and 9 forwards

Typical 2nd pairing blue liners are making $3-$4 million say so there's another $7 million but if the cap is at $90 million that number is more like $5million-$6 million. Who knows how Guhle projects?

Bottom pairing guys can be guys making $1.5-$2 million but take into cap inflation you're at $2-$3 million per guy

So you're looking at $18 million for your forwards which you have 9 to sign

Okposo is playing on the 3rd line at this point so you need a top 6 winger which is $5 million at least

$13 million for 8 guys. Sure somewhere in your lineup you'll have guys on their ELC to save you so if you have 2 or 3 guys at $1 million each you're at $10 million for 5 guys. $2 million per player to fill out the rest of your lineup.

But you know there will be mistakes made with contracts, what if Dahlin is a Norris Winnner he is getting $10 million easily. What if Mittelstadt is a stud like we hope, he is getting $8 million.

You have to remember, if the cap goes up, salaries go up.

The cap will be a huge problem going forward because of guys like Okposo and ROR.

Sbroads is right, the time to move him is now.
- Stripes77

Be thankful you haven't.

I think even more than the cap issue, is getting guys out that are underachieving in their roles, and taking up roster spots from future core players.

Especially Bogo. His roster spot could be occupied by someone who will actually play hockey

Don't get sensitive... i was "jp" as well
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

I never get sensitive Lol

5 pages and all it's telling me is................ Girgensons is still useless.

5 pages and all it's telling me is................ Girgensons is still useless.
- SABRES 89

F

if they can do better, i'm fine with him not being on the team...but the narrative here is that he's totally useless or an 'f' as someone put it and i'm not sure I agree with that
- Michael Pachla

They need some players like gus in their bottom 6. They won't just run 6 kids out there.

Be thankful you haven't.

I think even more than the cap issue, is getting guys out that are underachieving in their roles, and taking up roster spots from future core players.

Especially Bogo. His roster spot could be occupied by someone who will actually play hockey
- sbroads24

I didn't even get into underachievers.

Just looking at it in a strictly numbers situation with age and salary cap, ROR is the perfect candidate to be dealt.

Bogo is Bogo, can't stay healthy, is not good at the hockey. Good luck trying to move him.

There is a very young core here with Eichel, Reinhart (yes I like him still), Mittelstadt, and now Dahlin.

Bring in the right veterans to get them over the hump. (James Neal, Joe Thorton) On contract for 2-3 years, Neal might take more so pass on him then.

But there needs to be a guy that knows who team it is (hint its Jack's) and help mold him into the leader this team needs.

That's my opinion anyway.

They need some players like gus in their bottom 6. They won't just run 6 kids out there.
- Lunaion

it seems like that's what some want to do...or they expect a trio of fourth-liners scoring 15 goals and 30 points each

5 pages and all it's telling me is................ Girgensons is still useless.
- SABRES 89

Correct

Correct
- Stripes77

ok thanks

it seems like that's what some want to do...or they expect a trio of fourth-liners scoring 15 goals and 30 points each
- Michael Pachla

Every mock lineup is built to score goals. Easy to forget they also have to play defense and kill penalties. Girgs can do a bit of everything and move up in the lineup in a pinch. If he's viewed as a bottom 6 player, without the stigma of his draft slot, he has some value to the team. If he gets packaged in a deal, I'm not heartbroken. You need players like him.

I didn't bring it up.

But I will admit, you two are terrible at this
- sbroads24

You sure as hell didn't pass either.

But that's OK, you do you.

Every mock lineup is built to score goals. Easy to forget they also have to play defense and kill penalties. Girgs can do a bit of everything and move up in the lineup in a pinch. If he's viewed as a bottom 6 player, without the stigma of his draft slot, he has some value to the team. If he gets packaged in a deal, I'm not heartbroken. You need players like him.
- Lunaion

he's one of 700 or so players who can plays in the nhl...he's never had a contract that was way out of whack with what he does and he comes to the rink every day and puts the work in...there have been so many members of the suck-sister club over the years that bagging on gus just doesn't make sense

I didn't even get into underachievers.

Just looking at it in a strictly numbers situation with age and salary cap, ROR is the perfect candidate to be dealt.

Bogo is Bogo, can't stay healthy, is not good at the hockey. Good luck trying to move him.

There is a very young core here with Eichel, Reinhart (yes I like him still), Mittelstadt, and now Dahlin.

Bring in the right veterans to get them over the hump. (James Neal, Joe Thorton) On contract for 2-3 years, Neal might take more so pass on him then.

But there needs to be a guy that knows who team it is (hint its Jack's) and help mold him into the leader this team needs.

That's my opinion anyway.
- Stripes77

I think Reinhart should stay. Which is a total 180 on how I’ve felt about him for 2 years. Unless his contract demands are outrageous.

Risto can stay, unless you can pull a Hall type deal on someone.

Dahlin shouldn’t change the plan to get faster and better up front. He just fills a massive hole that frankly wouldn’t have been filled (#1 D ) otherwise

I think Reinhart should stay. Which is a total 180 on how I’ve felt about him for 2 years. Unless his contract demands are outrageous.

Risto can stay, unless you can pull a Hall type deal on someone.

Dahlin shouldn’t change the plan to get faster and better up front. He just fills a massive hole that frankly wouldn’t have been filled (#1 D ) otherwise
- sbroads24

I am fine keeping Risto

He will be a good compliment on the 2nd pairing

It will be tough for teams, they're going to have to game plan for Dahlin and match up tough lines against him, that will let Risto be able to get weaker matchups and should be able to play his game as well.

I am curious about Lawrence Pilut what sort of defensemen he is and if he can play real minutes in the NHL. He could be a good partner for Risto eventually.

I like having defensemen that can contribute offensively too. Risto and Dahlin that's 90 points between the two of them and that's being conservative.

I am not ready to run Risto out of town, and I am not running ROR out of town either but financially speaking and the fact he is still highly regarded around the league, he makes the most sense to move and still get a very good return for.

he's one of 700 or so players who can plays in the nhl...he's never had a contract that was way out of whack with what he does and he comes to the rink every day and puts the work in...there have been so many members of the suck-sister club over the years that bagging on gus just doesn't make sense
- Michael Pachla

He shows flashes of being really effective with Jack, and he's really the type of player Jack needs with him. He just doesn't have the hands to finish. That's my frustration with him. As a bottom 6, I really have no issue with the guy.

Dahlin is whatever

Dahlin is whatever
- SRam19

Sore loser

Dahlin is whatever
- SRam19

That's one of the most feeble troll attempts we've seen lately, and we've seen many.

Dahlin is whatever
- SRam19

So is your face.

Anyone ever find that Paul Hamilton clip talking on Canucks radio

Anyone ever find that Paul Hamilton clip talking on Canucks radio
- TheSabresTaco

Fake news

I am fine keeping Risto

He will be a good compliment on the 2nd pairing

It will be tough for teams, they're going to have to game plan for Dahlin and match up tough lines against him, that will let Risto be able to get weaker matchups and should be able to play his game as well.

I am curious about Lawrence Pilut what sort of defensemen he is and if he can play real minutes in the NHL. He could be a good partner for Risto eventually.

I like having defensemen that can contribute offensively too. Risto and Dahlin that's 90 points between the two of them and that's being conservative.

I am not ready to run Risto out of town, and I am not running ROR out of town either but financially speaking and the fact he is still highly regarded around the league, he makes the most sense to move and still get a very good return for.
- Stripes77

Not to worry .......... Risto isn't going anywhere. With a good team around him he will excel.

PS: We will have a good team next year.

lynx
- TheSabresTaco

For those that asked


https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ds-jets-series-we-wanted/


skip to 1hr 20 mins

Anyone ever find that Paul Hamilton clip talking on Canucks radio
- TheSabresTaco

^^

Fake news
- fastek

Nein