I agree. Many think Toews is even better than Pulock because of his skating. You try for someone like Trouba and if this team can fix the defensive system it will go a long way as well.
- ses111

Yep. The real issue is terrible coaching and management. This has been THE PROBLEM for 12 years. Changing the personel will have some effect but ultimately thus team will NEVER succeed with Weight as coach and Snow as our GM. Fire thise two idiots and whoever is part of the New England boys club and we're taking a huge step in the right direction. My fear is if they do get Lou that Weight remains. I honestly think he's just as bad as Capuano.

You see, you can't do anything now because it would upset the draft preparations this close to the Big Day. And you can't do anything after the draft because it would upset the preparations for free agency. And then so many plans are put into motion July 1 that you have to see those through...and then...ah, screw it, I've seen and written about the Cycle of Futility way too many times
- UIF

Yep there's always a reason. Staple will document that it's not the right time to fire Snow. I mean how can they find someone else?

Yep. The real issue is terrible coaching and management. This has been THE PROBLEM for 12 years. Changing the personel will have some effect but ultimately thus team will NEVER succeed with Weight as coach and Snow as our GM. Fire thise two idiots and whoever is part of the New England boys club and we're taking a huge step in the right direction. My fear is if they do get Lou that Weight remains. I honestly think he's just as bad as Capuano.
- Cptmjl

Exactly Cpt! I love trades but giving up 4 big pieces for Doughty seems wrong. We've seen what coaching can do with Gallant in Vegas. Still find it funny some Isles fans thought Gallant was not good enough. Have to think Lou would want his own coach?

I'd love to get Doughty but that's a heck of a lot to give up and does not leave the Isles much else to trade for a quality goalie and other needs. With Pulock looking to be an answer on D, I'd rather try for someone like Trouba and if Toews is the real deal you really have something.
- ses111

Is it really giving up that much to acquire a Norris Candidate? Lee is really the only proven guy......the rest are what if’s. The mid round draft picks are not as revered as we like to think.

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Take this for the proverbial FWIW, because it’s not what I would term a “report” as much as it is anecdotal — there seems to be a decided uptick in the Lou Lamoriello-to-NYI talk within the NHL community. @DarrenDreger noticed it today in DEN; my sense here in NA is the same.
- eichiefs9

No way Dan said nothing will happen

So a 40 goal scorer, what looks like a pretty good, young offensive defenseman, and two first round picks.
- Cptmjl

To acquire a Norris candidate, yes i make that trade.

Yeah trading away a young, good defenseman for anything even doughty makes zero sense. I'd love to have doughty here but taking two steps forward and three steps back is exactly whats wrong with this team for the last 12 years. Keep whatever promising defense you have and upgrade it without giving any of it up. We have forward depth thats without even saying thats an overpayment for Doughty.
- Cptmjl

Your entire philosophy is banking on Pulock being a top pair dman “someday”. My philosophy is, you have a shot at a top dman in the league, you pull the trigger. Is it really giving up a lot? I don’t believe so.

Is it really giving up that much to acquire a Norris Candidate? Lee is really the only proven guy......the rest are what if’s. The mid round draft picks are not as revered as we like to think.
- kindlyrick

Pulock showed real promise playing for a lousy team and coach. I'd rather add D around Pulock with Toews and if you cannot get Trouba try for Brodin with the Wild. Those two 1st rounds picks are still really high picks. Teams have done really well without the stud dman. Isles huge issue is coaching even more than lack of talent.

I agree. Many think Toews is even better than Pulock because of his skating. You try for someone like Trouba and if this team can fix the defensive system it will go a long way as well.
- ses111

Pulock’s skating is a weakness. Having Toews in the pipeline makes Pulock expendable.

Pulock showed real promise playing for a lousy team and coach. I'd rather add D around Pulock with Toews and if you cannot get Trouba try for Brodin with the Wild. Those two 1st rounds picks are still really high picks. Teams have done really well without the stud dman. Isles huge issue is coaching even more than lack of talent.
- ses111

If you have the ability to add a player of Doughtys caliber you do it. The first round picks are irrelevant to me. They’re faceless players who are nothing other than assets to me. Toews makes Pulock expendable.

Pulock’s skating is a weakness. Having Toews in the pipeline makes Pulock expendable.
- kindlyrick

I'm not looking for trade Pulock is defense improved and he has real offensive skills. Pulock is still new to playing NHL games and should only get better.

Pulock showed real promise playing for a lousy team and coach. I'd rather add D around Pulock with Toews and if you cannot get Trouba try for Brodin with the Wild. Those two 1st rounds picks are still really high picks. Teams have done really well without the stud dman. Isles huge issue is coaching even more than lack of talent.
- ses111

Pulocks been showing real promise for how many years now? You gotta give to get.

I'm not looking for trade Pulock is defense improved and he has real offensive skills. Pulock is still new to playing NHL games and should only get better.
- ses111

I’m not debating Pulocks offensive skill. I’m saying you use his potential to address a need now. You add Doughty to last years team and the isles are a much different team.

Pulocks been showing real promise for how many years now? You gotta give to get.
- kindlyrick

It's not Pulock's fault he was buried in the minors by Garth. He should have been up sooner. Even Toews could have gotten the call sooner.

To acquire a Norris candidate, yes i make that trade.
- kindlyrick

Ok I wouldn't. Love Doughty and love to have him but we're not in the position to give up one of our only good defenseman for defense without even mentioning our top goal scorer and two picks we refused to let go of for the entire season. Doughty will go for less.

Ok I wouldn't. Love Doughty and love to have him but we're not in the position to give up one of our only good defenseman for defense without even mentioning our top goal scorer and two picks we refused to let go of for the entire season. Doughty will go for less.
- Cptmjl

The Kings would be fools to turn down Lee, Pulock, and two #1's and Isles would be fools to offer that package.

It's not Pulock's fault he was buried in the minors by Garth. He should have been up sooner. Even Toews could have gotten the call sooner.
- ses111

Pulocks offensive ability (much like JHS) is undeniable. But you gotta be able to play both sides in the show. We as fans (myself included) thought Pulock should have made the roster out of camp. He didn’t. Point is, he’s not a top pair guy right now. As a result I’d use him in a trade to acquire a top guy. Not just a top pair guy, but a top dman in the league.

Your entire philosophy is banking on Pulock being a top pair dman “someday”. My philosophy is, you have a shot at a top dman in the league, you pull the trigger. Is it really giving up a lot? I don’t believe so.
- kindlyrick

No not really. My entire point is you don't trade one of your only if not your best defenseman last season to acquire defense whether the return is elite or not. We can't afford to give up ANY good defense. Find a way to get good defensive depth wgile giving up offense and picks. We need to add to the defense without giving any up the only thing that will do is leave another hole that wont get filled. That's an overpayment. Not a surprise it's the same guy that said we'd need to give up Nelson, Barzal, Pulock, and two firsts to get Duchene.
Look to Anaheim maybe even Winnipeg after seeing how this shakes out for them...

Ok I wouldn't. Love Doughty and love to have him but we're not in the position to give up one of our only good defenseman for defense without even mentioning our top goal scorer and two picks we refused to let go of for the entire season. Doughty will go for less.
- Cptmjl

Toews is most likely going to be a better player than Pulock....just based on his yearly growth.
As for giving up to get.....the isles having been trying to build from within for years. You have to make trades as well. You need to use assets to address needs now. I’m sure this years mid first round picks could become great players down the road. But, the isles at this point should not be banking on picks to blossom in 5 years. There’s enough talent to trade right now. Doughty is exceptional. The isles need a top pair guy to hold down the backend in all situations. We can agree to disagree but i make that trade everytime if I’m the isles right now.

Pulocks offensive ability (much like JHS) is undeniable. But you gotta be able to play both sides in the show. We as fans (myself included) thought Pulock should have made the roster out of camp. He didn’t. Point is, he’s not a top pair guy right now. As a result I’d use him in a trade to acquire a top guy. Not just a top pair guy, but a top dman in the league.
- kindlyrick

Which he did... Also, using Weight's roster decisions as a barometer is like using Capuano as a comparison for good prospect development. Barzal didn't make the roster the season before because he had the nerve to get 2 penalties in one game.

No not really. My entire point is you don't trade one of your only if not your best defenseman last season to acquire defense whether the return is elite or not. We can't afford to give up ANY good defense. Find a way to get good defensive depth wgile giving up offense and picks. We need to add to the defense without giving any up the only thing that will do is leave another hole that wont get filled. That's an overpayment. Not a surprise it's the same guy that said we'd need to give up Nelson, Barzal, Pulock, and two firsts to get Duchene.
Look to Anaheim maybe even Winnipeg after seeing how this shakes out for them...
- Cptmjl

I don’t recall saying I’d give up all of those players for Duchene. All of that minus Barzal and i would have done it. I was definitely all for Barzal being the 2c when most on here were questioning if he was ready. Either way my point here is Duchene is a great player. Doughty is one of the best in the league (if not the best) at his position. The same position the isles are weakest at. I make that trade

If you have the ability to add a player of Doughtys caliber you do it. The first round picks are irrelevant to me. They’re faceless players who are nothing other than assets to me. Toews makes Pulock expendable.
- kindlyrick

The kid that just had a bone graft put in his shoulder that we haven't seen play barely at all?

I don’t recall saying I’d give up all of those players for Duchene. HOWEVER, I was definitely all for Barzal being the 2c when most on here were questioning if he was ready. Either way my point here is Duchene is a great player. Doughty is one of the best in the league (if not the best) at his position. The same position the isles are weakest at. I make that trade
- kindlyrick

Didn't say it was you...

The kid that just had a bone graft put in his shoulder that we haven't seen play barely at all?
- Cptmjl

Yes that player who’s exponentially improved every season. He makes Pulock expendable. I like Pulock and i love Lee. But if you’re telling me I’m givjng up those two for Doughty i ask what color ink you want me to use.

Toews is most likely going to be a better player than Pulock....just based on his yearly growth.
As for giving up to get.....the isles having been trying to build from within for years. You have to make trades as well. You need to use assets to address needs now. I’m sure this years mid first round picks could become great players down the road. But, the isles at this point should not be banking on picks to blossom in 5 years. There’s enough talent to trade right now. Doughty is exceptional. The isles need a top pair guy to hold down the backend in all situations. We can agree to disagree but i make that trade everytime if I’m the isles right now.
- kindlyrick

His yearly growth? That's not much to base a players worth on going from the AHL to the NHL. I don't know let's agree to disagree on this one...