Players like Shane Doan and Ryan O'Reilly are incredibly valuable in this league
- Conventional Hockey Thought

- The Win Column

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Yes, and O’Reilly is good.

Really good, or great players, move the needle, even on bad teams, like McDavid.

O’Reilly doesn’t
- sbroads24

If Franson had more ice time, he'd be Risto. If Erod had more ice time, he'd be O'Reilly. If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle

Lightning down 5-2 in the 3rd...."LETS GO BOLTS"

Jets down 3-1 in the 3rd.....*silence*

Canadian fans are entitled...prove me wrong.
- feetontheair22

north american sports fans are terrible in general. comparing them amongst each other is a waste of time

If Franson had more ice time, he'd be Risto. If Erod had more ice time, he'd be O'Reilly. If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle
- jcragcrumple

And then I could ride her all day long?

Jonathon Drouin was dealt for an unknown in Sergachev.

Flyers traded Brayden Coburn to the Lightning and ended up with Travis Konecny

How did the Jeff Carter trade end up for Philly?
- sbroads24

A top10 draft pick who then had another great year continuing to develop after he was drafted is hardly an “unknown”
Not proven yet,
but he was thought of very highly

The Coburn example is terrible
O’Reilly is a much, much better player than he was
U wanna trade “depth guys” like Girgs, Larsson, etc for a lotto ticket...
Then ok, that makes sense
Not trading a top30 Center for that though
No freaking way

And how did that Jeff Carter trade work for Philly?
Obviously Voracek is a good player
I don’t remember who they got with the pick... was it Couturier?
But they never got to where they wanna be without him
And Carter went & won 2 Cups as an important part of LA
So 8 years(?) later & Philly is no better off having traded Carter


I’m not sure what the point was with those examples

north american sports fans are terrible in general. comparing them amongst each other is a waste of time
- Sabresfan-365

365 is a contrarian....prove me wrong.

If Franson had more ice time, he'd be Risto. If Erod had more ice time, he'd be O'Reilly. If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle
- jcragcrumple

Post of the day

A top10 draft pick who then had another great year continuing to develop after he was drafted is hardly an “unknown”
Not proven yet,
but he was thought of very highly

The Coburn example is terrible
O’Reilly is a much, much better player than he was
U wanna trade “depth guys” like Girgs, Larsson, etc for a lotto ticket...
Then ok, that makes sense
Not trading a top30 Center for that though
No freaking way

And how did that Jeff Carter trade work for Philly?
Obviously Voracek is a good player
I don’t remember who they got with the pick... was it Couturier?
But they never got to where they wanna be without him
And Carter went & won 2 Cups as an important part of LA
So 8 years(?) later & Philly is no better off having traded Carter


I’m not sure what the point was with those examples
- jdfitz77

Columbus trades Carter to LA. Not Philly

365 is a contrarian....prove me wrong.
- feetontheair22

i genuinely don't follow

If Franson had more ice time, he'd be Risto. If Erod had more ice time, he'd be O'Reilly. If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle
- jcragcrumple

If O’Reilly had better linemates he’d score more 5 on 5
If Gorges wasn’t Risto’s partner he’d be a #1
If Reinhart works on his skating he will be a 30 goal guy

Oh look, 31st place

I've decided I want VGK in the Finals.

Yep. I said it.

If O’Reilly had better linemates he’d score more 5 on 5
If Gorges wasn’t Risto’s partner he’d be a #1
If Reinhart works on his skating he will be a 30 goal guy

Oh look, 31st place
- sbroads24

leave skunk out of this

leave skunk out of this
- homiedclown

The stench makes it quite difficult.

And then I could ride her all day long?
- Sabresfan-365

Oh my.

Jonathon Drouin was dealt for an unknown in Sergachev.

Flyers traded Brayden Coburn to the Lightning and ended up with Travis Konecny

How did the Jeff Carter trade end up for Philly?
- sbroads24

I looked it up
It was Voracek & the 8th pick (Couturier) & a 3rd round pick

Up until this year...
when Couturier finally broke out...
Carter >>> Voracek & Couturier

So it took 8 freaking years for Philly to “win” that trade

And u could even argue whether or not they did win the trade (even now),
since Carter went on to be a HUGE part to LA winning 2 Cups

I looked it up
It was Voracek & the 8th pick (Couturier) & a 3rd round pick

Up until this year...
when Couturier finally broke out...
Carter >>> Voracek & Couturier

So it took 8 freaking years for Philly to “win” that trade

And u could even argue whether or not they did win the trade (even now),
since Carter went on to be a HUGE part to LA winning 2 Cups
- jdfitz77

I think you are underselling Voracek. It's at least very close even before couturier's breakout

Lightning down 5-2 in the 3rd...."LETS GO BOLTS"

Jets down 3-1 in the 3rd.....*silence*

Canadian fans are entitled...prove me wrong.
- feetontheair22

Damn Jackie!!!!

I think you are underselling Voracek. It's at least very close even before couturier's breakout
- Sabresfan-365

It's not close at all. Philly traded them and they were instrumental in 2 Stanley Cup wins.

It's not close at all.

The stench makes it quite difficult.
- buffalofan19

best of the worst

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ons/teams/0000332018.html

Columbus trades Carter to LA. Not Philly
- sbroads24

Right...
but your point (i think) was that Philly has been better off with what they got in the trade,
instead of having Carter

Carter was obviously a good enough player to be an important part of 2 Cup wins in LA

What he did after her left vs what Voracek & Couturier have done for Philly...

I’d rather have had Carter
Like i said in the next post...
took 8 years for that trade to tilt in Philly’s favor

Right...
but your point (i think) was that Philly has been better off with what they got in the trade,
instead of having Carter

Carter was obviously a good enough player to be an important part of 2 Cup wins in LA

What he did after her left vs what Voracek & Couturier have done for Philly...

I’d rather have had Carter
Like i said in the next post...
took 8 years for that trade to tilt in Philly’s favor
- jdfitz77

If we trade ROR, he might be a key piece to win a cup, but 8 years later, one of the draft picks will finally be really good. We still won't have a cup, but, ya know, that player might be good

Right...
but your point (i think) was that Philly has been better off with what they got in the trade,
instead of having Carter

Carter was obviously a good enough player to be an important part of 2 Cup wins in LA

What he did after her left vs what Voracek & Couturier have done for Philly...

I’d rather have had Carter
Like i said in the next post...
took 8 years for that trade to tilt in Philly’s favor
- jdfitz77

Of course, and so could O’Reilly.

Not in Buffalo anytime in the next two years, and he will be a depreciating asset when we actually contend.

I’m not saying O’Reilly sucks, for the millionth time

It's not close at all. Philly traded them and they were instrumental in 2 Stanley Cup wins.

It's not close at all.
- jcragcrumple

If they're not used as secondary players (i.e Kopitar and co don't exist) do they still win two cups?


Just based on production it's pretty close. LA made that trade at the right time, and it paid off for them. Doesn't mean Philly got hosed, they've gotten a lot of value out of Voracek and now Couturier.

best of the worst

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ons/teams/0000332018.html
- homiedclown

I actually don't have too much of an issue with him. I just don't see how one can look at this roster for the past couple of years and tell me how it would be stupid to trade anybody other than Eichel. Nobody on this team is capable of moving the needle except #15.

If we trade ROR, he might be a key piece to win a cup, but 8 years later, one of the draft picks will finally be really good. We still won't have a cup, but, ya know, that player might be good
- jcragcrumple

O’Reilly is good enough to be a key peice to a cup team, but not good enough to lead our team in ice time and keep us out of last