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ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

May 14 @ 4:49 PM ET
We all have our favorites.

I once thought Myers was better than Subban.

- sbroads24


Last jersey I ever bought.

He was ruined by the Chara comparison, everyone wanted him to be Chara.

I would still take him back. He would be a good 3-4 D-man, under Housley.

gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 14 @ 4:50 PM ET
I'd rather not trade any capable D-man at the moment.

Create one hole to fill another still leaves your boat sinking.

- ImThatGuy


But you have three other defenseman that play the same position ?

jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

May 14 @ 4:52 PM ET
This is going to be exactly like the Kane situation we're going to wait too long and his value is going to go down sell high for once
- gerbe75pts



So we should have sold when he was being investigated for sexual assault? Kane's value was never as high as we or Murray thought
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 14 @ 4:53 PM ET
Last jersey I ever bought.

He was ruined by the Chara comparison, everyone wanted him to be Chara.

I would still take him back. He would be a good 3-4 D-man, under Housley.

- ImThatGuy


My jersey have been
Vanek
Roy turned into Ott
Myers
Bernier
Gerbe
foligno
Bobby Ryan
Ennis
Hogson
RoR

So as you can see ROR will be traded lol
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

May 14 @ 4:53 PM ET
But you have three other defenseman that play the same position ?
- gerbe75pts


just because they play does not mean they are any good.

McCabe is on a cheap contract. I'd rather not move him.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

May 14 @ 4:54 PM ET
So we should have sold when he was being investigated for sexual assault? Kane's value was never as high as we or Murray thought
- jcragcrumple


He would have been traded on draft day To Minnesota for Brodin, or so the story goes.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 14 @ 4:54 PM ET
So we should have sold when he was being investigated for sexual assault? Kane's value was never as high as we or Murray thought
- jcragcrumple


No his value was high in the beginning of the season when he was red hot then of course we waited and thought we could get maximum value for him that worked out great
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 14 @ 4:54 PM ET
I didn't say I thought ROR was better than Panarin, I said he can be as important to a team as Panarin
- jcragcrumple

I'll jsut never agree with that.

Panarin had 61 EV points. O'Reilly had 61 points.

I think his defense is valuable. But I'll use the same argument I always used to defend Ovechkin or even Eichel.

People act like guys like Ovi or Eichel sit down and take a nap once the puck leaves the O-zone, while guys like O'Reilly play defense and goalie, it's just over rated.

Just for example

Goals against per 60 at 5 on 5

Eichel 2.86
O'Reilly 2.41

Now, of course O'Reilly is the superior D player, no dispute, but Eichel's superior offense to ROR's makes the difference null and void, and then some.

Panarin is on Eichel's level offensively
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 14 @ 4:55 PM ET
just because they play does not mean they are any good.

McCabe is on a cheap contract. I'd rather not move him.

- ImThatGuy


What you're getting Max Domi and a high pick
And that high pick could be a defenseman that could be a first pairing or you could get a Winger
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

May 14 @ 4:56 PM ET
No his value was high in the beginning of the season when he was red hot then of course we waited and thought we could get maximum value for him that worked out great
- gerbe75pts


This was one of the best seasons, and his healthiest season, and he kept his nose clean for 18 months. We did sell high. High just wasn't what we thought it was. So if we're getting a comparable, or slightly better return for ROR, they'd be wise to keep him.
seedy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: you don't need an ignore button to ignore someone., CA
Joined: 02.22.2007

May 14 @ 4:56 PM ET

He was ruined by the Chara comparison, everyone wanted him to be Chara.

- ImThatGuy


I never understood this.
When you draft a player, its based on what you have seen them do up to draft day.
Why did they suddenly think they could turn him in to Chris Pronger?
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

May 14 @ 4:57 PM ET
I never understood this.
When you draft a player, its based on what you have seen them do up to draft day.
Why did they suddenly think they could turn him in to Chris Pronger?

- seedy


He was tall.
End of story.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

May 14 @ 4:58 PM ET
What you're getting Max Domi and a high pick
And that high pick could be a defenseman that could be a first pairing or you could get a Winger

- gerbe75pts


it would be ROR, McCabbe +++
for that offer.

I'll pass.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

May 14 @ 5:00 PM ET
I'll jsut never agree with that.

Panarin had 61 EV points. O'Reilly had 61 points.

I think his defense is valuable. But I'll use the same argument I always used to defend Ovechkin or even Eichel.

People act like guys like Ovi or Eichel sit down and take a nap once the puck leaves the O-zone, while guys like O'Reilly play defense and goalie, it's just over rated.

Just for example

Goals against per 60 at 5 on 5

Eichel 2.86
O'Reilly 2.41

Now, of course O'Reilly is the superior D player, no dispute, but Eichel's superior offense to ROR's makes the difference null and void, and then some.

Panarin is on Eichel's level offensively

- sbroads24


And you'd probably trade him for #11 and Ho Sang. I'm done with maybes and potential. We have a sure thing here. Different strokes for Sabres folks
sambarugh
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Meszároš has sick trade value, NY
Joined: 01.14.2008

May 14 @ 5:01 PM ET
Spicy
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

May 14 @ 5:03 PM ET
Every time somebody quotes it, it stays.
- seedy


The one that wasn't hypertext, it's plaintext links that (frank)s up pages. It's still there on his post that he quoted jcrag.

This one:

sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 14 @ 5:05 PM ET
And you'd probably trade him for #11 and Ho Sang. I'm done with maybes and potential. We have a sure thing here. Different strokes for Sabres folks
- jcragcrumple

I probably would.

I’d also be able to use the 6 mil in additional cap space to sign other guys that can play roles for my team.

jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

May 14 @ 5:05 PM ET
We're gonna run ROR out of town, just like we do with all our good players, and we'll try to convince ourselves that the modest return we get will be better as the sum of the parts. Everyone will mf him on the way out of town and we'll be worse off.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

May 14 @ 5:06 PM ET
Why do you say that ? He’s Exactly what this team needs and we can force the Red Wings to trade him to us ..just like the blue jackets did when they did their offer sheet
- gerbe75pts


Go ahead and count up all the offer sheets over the last 5 years compared to the number of RFAs of the nonexclusive variety.
Shadman306
Joined: 06.11.2015

May 14 @ 5:06 PM ET
just because they play does not mean they are any good.

McCabe is on a cheap contract. I'd rather not move him.

- ImThatGuy


Would you do Mccabe + RoR for Panarin or Tarasenko as the main pieces of a deal?
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 14 @ 5:20 PM ET
Go ahead and count up all the offer sheets over the last 5 years compared to the number of RFAs of the nonexclusive variety.
- Wetbandit1


The blue jackets
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 14 @ 5:20 PM ET
We're gonna run ROR out of town, just like we do with all our good players, and we'll try to convince ourselves that the modest return we get will be better as the sum of the parts. Everyone will mf him on the way out of town and we'll be worse off.
- jcragcrumple


Good he’s a fake
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

May 14 @ 5:21 PM ET
Offer sheet William Nylander. I'd give up next years first, second, and third for him.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

May 14 @ 5:22 PM ET
Good he’s a fake
- gerbe75pts



When was the last time we got rid of a good player, and the trade return was better than the player we gave up?
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 14 @ 5:24 PM ET
We're gonna run ROR out of town, just like we do with all our good players, and we'll try to convince ourselves that the modest return we get will be better as the sum of the parts. Everyone will mf him on the way out of town and we'll be worse off.
- jcragcrumple

Winnipeg probably feels the exact same way about Evander Kane right now
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