Would you do Mccabe + RoR for Panarin or Tarasenko as the main pieces of a deal?
- Shadman306

If the Blues move Tarasenko for ROR and McCabe I would burn my Blues jersey if I were a St.Louis fan.

When was the last time we got rid of a good player, and the trade return was better than the player we gave up?
- jcragcrumple

A better question is what happened to those players that we trade a way that we all thought were super stars ?

I can’t think of one player that we traded that has made an impact anywhere ( maybe Myers)

A better question is what happened to those players that we trade a way that we all thought were super stars ?

I can’t think of one player that we traded that has made an impact anywhere ( maybe Myers)
- gerbe75pts

Lost the gaustad trade
Vanek to isles?
Pominville to the wild?
Miller to STL?
Campbell for ennis

Do we have any of the assets received still in the organization? Larsson?

Gusev just signed a two year extension in mother russia
- IndianaSabresFan

Well that could actually be good news
-shows Vegas he has absolutely zero desire to sign there
-which means we could likely acquire his rights pretty damn cheap
-so even if we can’t convince him to come over at some point, wouldn’t be a loss of anything major (maybe a mid-round pick)

Can we convince him to come over?
Idk... probably unlikely
But there might be some things we can do to give us a better shot
And he’s good enough that he’s worth the lotto ticket (top line LW quality guy)

The KHL is a market that we should definitely be exploring
And building an infrastructure that gives us an advantage to bring some of these guys over should at least be considered,
if not be made a priority

ROR for PK Subban.

Lost the gaustad trade
Vanek to isles?
Pominville to the wild?
Miller to STL?
Campbell for ennis

Do we have any of the assets received still in the organization? Larsson?
- jcragcrumple

How are they bad trades ?

How are they bad trades ?
- gerbe75pts

Vanek was more productive this year than most of our forwards, Campbell had a better career after the trade than Tyler Ennis (whom we selected in the first with the pick we received), Miller is still playing, gaustad was a useful player for them (and they got Saros as part of that trade).

There's an argument we lost every single one of those trades. And now we're heading down the same road with ROR

He was tall.
End of story.
- ImThatGuy

...That's some good scoutin'!

Vanek was more productive this year than most of our forwards, Campbell had a better career after the trade than Tyler Ennis (whom we selected in the first with the pick we received), Miller is still playing, gaustad was a useful player for them (and they got Saros as part of that trade).

There's an argument we lost every single one of those trades. And now we're heading down the same road with ROR
- jcragcrumple

Because Jason Botterill made those trades?

There’s a very good reason the GM’s before him were fired

Well that could actually be good news
-shows Vegas he has absolutely zero desire to sign there
-which means we could likely acquire his rights pretty damn cheap
-so even if we can’t convince him to come over at some point, wouldn’t be a loss of anything major (maybe a mid-round pick)

Can we convince him to come over?
Idk... probably unlikely
But there might be some things we can do to give us a better shot
And he’s good enough that he’s worth the lotto ticket (top line LW quality guy)

The KHL is a market that we should definitely be exploring
And building an infrastructure that gives us an advantage to bring some of these guys over should at least be considered,
if not be made a priority
- jdfitz77

Well make sure it is no higher than a 6th, cause we select early likely, so that makes it a 5th.
If we trade a 5th, it too is like a fourth and once again early so it’s a third which is actually a 2nd. Way too high for a exploration of sorts.

The blue jackets
- gerbe75pts

So... 1

It's not like Kucherov was available, or Kuznetsov... Oh wait, they were.

Because Jason Botterill made those trades?

There’s a very good reason the GM’s before him were fired
- sbroads24

At some point we need to wise the (frank) up and keep the good players we have and build around them. Enough of this carousel of futures. It's madness

Vanek was more productive this year than most of our forwards, Campbell had a better career after the trade than Tyler Ennis (whom we selected in the first with the pick we received), Miller is still playing, gaustad was a useful player for them (and they got Saros as part of that trade).

There's an argument we lost every single one of those trades. And now we're heading down the same road with ROR
- jcragcrumple

I would say that points directly at the Sabres Scouting Staff and Development organization, not so much the trade itself. Maybe it is getting better??? IDK, too early to tell...especially Player Development

So... 1

It's not like Kucherov was available, or Kuznetsov... Oh wait, they were.
- Wetbandit1

Was that after kuch yes or no

I would say that points directly at the Sabres Scouting Staff and Development organization, not so much the trade itself. Maybe it is getting better??? IDK, too early to tell...especially Player Development
- IonSabres

I would argue it speaks to the speculative nature of trading a sure thing for futures.

Michael Pachla: O'Reilly's World. A brief history and the parallels between COL and BUF
- Michael Pachla

nice blog

if they believe baptiste, nylander, bailey are ready for top 9 duty

and either smith or o regan


trading mccab and ror for a really good rd to play with dahlin may be in the cards


dahlin-player x
scandella-risto
guhle-nelson-new kid from sweden

At some point we need to wise the (frank) up and keep the good players we have and build around them. Enough of this carousel of futures. It's madness
- jcragcrumple

How does Colorado or Winnipeg or even Ottawa feel about that right now?

If you polled 100 fans or NHL people, how many think that the Sabres got the better end of those deals? Two of those teams have 2-3 pieces playing top 9 or top 6 roles on playoff teams. Not to mention the extra cap space to sign other players.

You’ve already decided the 10th or 11th pick will be Girgensons, and couldn’t possibly be a Clayton Keller or Miko Rantanen.

Was that after kuch yes or no
- gerbe75pts

I have no clue. GMs are huge pussies when it comes to offer sheets. I'd make a bet with you, but I know you'll just welch on it.

That Nelson blog deserved at least a week.

I would argue it speaks to the speculative nature of trading a sure thing for futures.
- jcragcrumple

I’m on the fence with O’Rielly, Sam and Risto...absolutely NOT saying to get rid of all three, nope...but I think we need to move on from one or 2 of them over the next year or so.
Case could be made for and against all three of them, including the build around them argument. However, the alternative argument of maximizing your assets and dealing from a position of strength has an edge IMO.
That said, the Sabres were a team who doesn’t have a history of uncovering undervalued gems, and I would be much more eager to move assets while prices are high.
That is what keeps me on the fence.

How does Colorado or Winnipeg or even Ottawa feel about that right now?

If you polled 100 fans or NHL people, how many think that the Sabres got the better end of those deals? Two of those teams have 2-3 pieces playing top 9 or top 6 roles on playoff teams. Not to mention the extra cap space to sign other players.

You’ve already decided the 10th or 11th pick will be Girgensons, and couldn’t possibly be a Clayton Keller or Miko Rantanen.
- sbroads24

Winnipeg used their trade as a salary dump for Bogo. Murray got hosed. He bought high on a deteriorating asset (Kane). The point stands. None of the good players we moved out helped us to get a good player, other than Eichel. I'm sure if/when the day comes, fans will be lauding a move to "get rid of" ROR. It'll work out like Vanek, Miller, Pominville and Gaustad before him. We'll be left with a bag full of hope and a whole lotta nothing.

We have 8 good players, and I think Botts realizes that getting rid of one of our few good players does not help. If he doesn't, it's another rinse, wash, repeat cycle of blame, and false hope in middling prospective future assets

if they believe baptiste, nylander, bailey are ready for top 9 duty

and either smith or o regan


trading mccab and ror for a really good rd to play with dahlin may be in the cards


dahlin-player x
scandella-risto
guhle-nelson-new kid from sweden
- homiedclown

Player x is good and all but I like Monster X better

I’m on the fence with O’Rielly, Sam and Risto...absolutely NOT saying to get rid of all three, nope...but I think we need to move on from one or 2 of them over the next year or so.
Case could be made for and against all three of them, including the build around them argument. However, the alternative argument of maximizing your assets and dealing from a position of strength has an edge IMO.
That said, the Sabres were a team who doesn’t have a history of uncovering undervalued gems, and I would be much more eager to move assets while prices are high.
That is what keeps me on the fence.
- IonSabres

Depends what the asset is. If that asset is a good, established, young NHLer, I'm all for it. I'm done with mid-first lottery tickets that turn out to be Ennis and Girgensons for established players

Jonathon Drouin was dealt for an unknown in Sergachev.

Flyers traded Brayden Coburn to the Lightning and ended up with Travis Konecny

How did the Jeff Carter trade end up for Philly?