Nobody wants Lehners package.
- jochfr

Nobody wants Lehners package.
- jochfr

What do you expect? His 5v5 prod is atrocious.

What am I missing exactly?

I'm not accusing you of saying culture is the reason teams win, i'm saying if it was tangible, like speed and other attributes, like you said it was, then we would hear about bad culture on good teams....we don't. Because it never exists apparently
- sbroads24

Culture is not tangible, the same way all people can't agree on whether our bro Ryan O'Passion belongs here, and global warming.

"Culture is a measure of the observable behaviors your team and organization promotes and accepts. Ultimately, culture is best defined simply as ‘the way we do things around here’ or ‘the way we behave around here’. Culture is not what you think, or want to do, it is what you do. Full stop. Some teams espouse a certain culture but actually behave in a very different way. That is, they do not ‘walk the talk’. Culture is the ‘talk you walk’. Your team’s culture results in either effective and productive outcomes or ineffective and unproductive outcomes."

Doesn't anyone find it peculiar that this team should have been at least middle of the road on paper, but completely fell apart?

Since culture is not a tangible item such as faceoff wins and 5v5 points, I will continue to yell at a wall. Some will agree and some won't. So be it, I couldn't care less. I know through experience how important it is and how it truly exists, despite it's intangibility because it's an idea, not a stat. It's a group personality.

Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent

One helps the other. When you lose, things fall apart without extremely strong leadership. When you win, that leadership is rarely needed. It's a unified message. I know what it is, I've experienced it throughout my entire life, I'm fully aware it exists. If people want to ignore the fact that culture, or maybe 'a positive, unified message' exists, by all means. I don't give a poop.

Weber, 7 more years at 7.8 a year and people want to trade for him, and they want Risto and ROR gone.

You have to be F$$KIN kidding me.

Weber, 7 more years at 7.8 a year and people want to trade for him, and they want Risto and ROR gone.

You have to be F$$KIN kidding me.
- SABRES 89

Shea Weber is really good still.

If you could get him because Montreal is dumb enough to move him as a cap dump, you do it.

Culture is not tangible, the same way all people can't agree on whether our bro Ryan O'Passion belongs here, and global warming.

"Culture is a measure of the observable behaviors your team and organization promotes and accepts. Ultimately, culture is best defined simply as ‘the way we do things around here’ or ‘the way we behave around here’. Culture is not what you think, or want to do, it is what you do. Full stop. Some teams espouse a certain culture but actually behave in a very different way. That is, they do not ‘walk the talk’. Culture is the ‘talk you walk’. Your team’s culture results in either effective and productive outcomes or ineffective and unproductive outcomes."

Doesn't anyone find it peculiar that this team should have been at least middle of the road on paper, but completely fell apart?

Since culture is not a tangible item such as faceoff wins and 5v5 points, I will continue to yell at a wall. Some will agree and some won't. So be it, I couldn't care less. I know through experience how important it is and how it truly exists, despite it's intangibility because it's an idea, not a stat. It's a group personality.

Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent

One helps the other. When you lose, things fall apart without extremely strong leadership. When you win, that leadership is rarely needed. It's a unified message. I know what it is, I've experienced it throughout my entire life, I'm fully aware it exists. If people want to ignore the fact that culture, or maybe 'a positive, unified message' exists, by all means. I don't give a poop.
- TheSabresTaco

Bravo!
Extremely well done sir, spot o.

With that I too rest my case, as arguing about it does nothing.

Now, let’s get Gerbe to listen to some Led Zeppelin so he has a clue about the songs

Weber, 7 more years at 7.8 a year and people want to trade for him, and they want Risto and ROR gone.

You have to be F$$KIN kidding me.
- SABRES 89

yeah.... people are way too desperate.

Culture is not tangible, the same way all people can't agree on whether our bro Ryan O'Passion belongs here, and global warming.

"Culture is a measure of the observable behaviors your team and organization promotes and accepts. Ultimately, culture is best defined simply as ‘the way we do things around here’ or ‘the way we behave around here’. Culture is not what you think, or want to do, it is what you do. Full stop. Some teams espouse a certain culture but actually behave in a very different way. That is, they do not ‘walk the talk’. Culture is the ‘talk you walk’. Your team’s culture results in either effective and productive outcomes or ineffective and unproductive outcomes."

Doesn't anyone find it peculiar that this team should have been at least middle of the road on paper, but completely fell apart?

Since culture is not a tangible item such as faceoff wins and 5v5 points, I will continue to yell at a wall. Some will agree and some won't. So be it, I couldn't care less. I know through experience how important it is and how it truly exists, despite it's intangibility because it's an idea, not a stat. It's a group personality.

Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent

One helps the other. When you lose, things fall apart without extremely strong leadership. When you win, that leadership is rarely needed. It's a unified message. I know what it is, I've experienced it throughout my entire life, I'm fully aware it exists. If people want to ignore the fact that culture, or maybe 'a positive, unified message' exists, by all means. I don't give a poop.
- TheSabresTaco

You do realize what you are saying here translates to when you lose the culture becomes bad and when you win the culture is good.

All teams have the same culture. Be the best you can be on and off the ice/field. Some teams just have better talent than others and that's why they win.

Shea Weber is really good still.

If you could get him because Montreal is dumb enough to move him as a cap dump, you do it.
- ImThatGuy

They retain 50% and take Bogo and Beaulieu, sure.

He's definitely still good. He's actually great, despite that awful injury he had this year. But in 4 years, he's going to be a heap of poop. And we're going to be covered in it.

They retain 50% and take Bogo and Beaulieu, sure.

He's definitely still good. He's actually great, despite that awful injury he had this year. But in 4 years, he's going to be a heap of poop. And we're going to be covered in it.
- TheSabresTaco

Here is the kicker, you trade him back to Nashville in 4 years because they do not want Shea Weber to retire else they get hit with a $25MM recapture penalty, and then Nashville stores him on LTIR ala Chris Pronger for years.

Bravo!
Extremely well done sir, spot o.

With that I too rest my case, as arguing about it does nothing.

Now, let’s get Gerbe to listen to some Led Zeppelin so he has a clue about the songs
- IonSabres

he sings that song Freaky Friday right

Here is the kicker, you trade him back to Nashville in 4 years because they do not want Shea Weber to retire else they get hit with a $25MM recapture penalty, and then Nashville stores him on LTIR ala Chris Pronger for years.
- ImThatGuy

Ah yes, the Other GMs are stupid theory.

I love it.

You do realize what you are saying here translates to when you lose the culture becomes bad and when you win the culture is good.

All teams have the same culture. Be the best you can be on and off the ice/field. Some teams just have better talent than others and that's why they win.
- ImThatGuy

I think you ignored literally everything I've said because you're stuck on culture and talent don't need each other. And that's fine.

if it was a venn diagram it'd only be 2 elements just sayin
- robz228

You really should go back to class and listen this time.
You are right only in a two set case.
But there are 3 set, 4 set, amore more cases which can and are drawn using Venn diagrams.
But, do try again.

Culture is not tangible, the same way all people can't agree on whether our bro Ryan O'Passion belongs here, and global warming.

"Culture is a measure of the observable behaviors your team and organization promotes and accepts. Ultimately, culture is best defined simply as ‘the way we do things around here’ or ‘the way we behave around here’. Culture is not what you think, or want to do, it is what you do. Full stop. Some teams espouse a certain culture but actually behave in a very different way. That is, they do not ‘walk the talk’. Culture is the ‘talk you walk’. Your team’s culture results in either effective and productive outcomes or ineffective and unproductive outcomes."

Doesn't anyone find it peculiar that this team should have been at least middle of the road on paper, but completely fell apart?

Since culture is not a tangible item such as faceoff wins and 5v5 points, I will continue to yell at a wall. Some will agree and some won't. So be it, I couldn't care less. I know through experience how important it is and how it truly exists, despite it's intangibility because it's an idea, not a stat. It's a group personality.

Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent
Talent is not Culture and Culture is not Talent

One helps the other. When you lose, things fall apart without extremely strong leadership. When you win, that leadership is rarely needed. It's a unified message. I know what it is, I've experienced it throughout my entire life, I'm fully aware it exists. If people want to ignore the fact that culture, or maybe 'a positive, unified message' exists, by all means. I don't give a poop.
- TheSabresTaco

I am not much of a believer in culture, but I think the crappy roster to start the year, as well as the fact that they were out of it by November crushed their spirit, and even after Moulson, Griffith, Criscuolo and others were gone, the damage was done and they had checked out.

I don't think it's an indictment of the team's culture, I think it was human nature to lose interest - dare I say passion - when they were knocked out early due to a crappy roster

Shea Weber is really good still.

If you could get him because Montreal is dumb enough to move him as a cap dump, you do it.
- ImThatGuy

Weber is a boat anchor just like Bogo, let the Habs keep him.

I am not much of a believer in culture, but I think the crappy roster to start the year, as well as the fact that they were out of it by November crushed their spirit, and even after Moulson, Griffith, Criscuolo and others were gone, the damage was done and they had checked out.

I don't think it's an indictment of the team's culture, I think it was human nature to lose interest - dare I say passion - when they were knocked out early due to a crappy roster
- jcragcrumple

So the bad roster (Less talent) + losing = bad culture

Shea Weber is really good still.

If you could get him because Montreal is dumb enough to move him as a cap dump, you do it.
- ImThatGuy

I’m cool with it

yeah.... people are way too desperate.
- TheSabresTaco

They want trades just to get trades, ROR doesn't like losing and people hate him for it, they complain what Murray did with bad contracts but they want Shea Weber.

So the bad roster (Less talent) + losing = bad culture
- sbroads24

Yeah.

I'm a firm believer that as soon as we have more good players, all of a sudden the "culture" will be good

Weber is a boat anchor just like Bogo, let the Habs keep him.
- SABRES 89

If Weber had 2 more years left, I'd trade for him in an instant. But alas, this is not the case.

Yeah.

I'm a firm believer that as soon as we have more good players, all of a sudden the "culture" will be good
- jcragcrumple

I will continue to wonder why the Sabres didn't even consider signing Evander Kane. Probably cause he's a poopty player and not because he didn't fit the mold of what they're trying to build. That's jut me I guess.

I am not much of a believer in culture, but I think the crappy roster to start the year, as well as the fact that they were out of it by November crushed their spirit, and even after Moulson, Griffith, Criscuolo and others were gone, the damage was done and they had checked out.

I don't think it's an indictment of the team's culture, I think it was human nature to lose interest - dare I say passion - when they were knocked out early due to a crappy roster
- jcragcrumple

They better get rid of the crappy attitudes before Dahlin comes in and learns to lose too.

With Carolina being in the market for a Goalie, think there would be any interest in a Lehner package?
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Sure why not toss him in that ROR deal