Hmmm, that word again.
- IonSabres

But the Bills leadership and culture should have been able to help him no?

so we have a few examples of great teams with godawful "culture" who still had great results

we have tons of examples of individuals who are "culture killers" who changed teams and were great and so was their team

anyone know any less talented culture heroes who went to a talented team with bad culture and made them good? scott wilson?
- robz228

People talk about Mike Grier that way. When he came back, apparently it helped those "10-'11 playoff teams

well at least i learned today culture made norwood miss a field goal thanks for the discussion

Ek sabres have BIG interest in Jack Johnson

be ok with a 2year 3m
- gerbe75pts

hard pass.

But the Bills leadership and culture should have been able to help him no?
- ImThatGuy

it seems the only benefit of having it is being able to say you have it

People talk about Mike Grier that way. When he came back, apparently it helped those "10-'11 playoff teams
- jcragcrumple

Look, some people believe, some are skeptical and some don't. If you feel like arguing with a pile of rocks, feel free.

hard pass.
- TheSabresTaco

I could see why he's not that " Kings" player anymore

I could see why he's not that " Kings" player anymore
- gerbe75pts

He wasn't even that great there. He's like a worse Ristolainen.

Note: I want Ristolainen here in a reduced role.

All I ask is that we don't sign Patrick maroon

well at least i learned today culture made norwood miss a field goal thanks for the discussion
- robz228

off to Venn Diagram classes, lol?

He wasn't even that great there. He's like a worse Ristolainen.
- TheSabresTaco

I liked him back in the day but your right

Look, some people believe, some are skeptical and some don't. If you feel like arguing with a pile of rocks, feel free.
- TheSabresTaco

That's where I'm at. I mostly don't believe. But he asked for an example of a lesser guy, and the players from those teams talked about him as a sort of leadership guru

Look, some people believe, some are skeptical and some don't. If you feel like arguing with a pile of rocks, feel free.
- TheSabresTaco

ill believe in it if i can get an example of a universally agreed on talented team with bad culture that wasn't still good anyways

All I ask is that we don't sign Patrick maroon
- gerbe75pts

I don't understand the hate you have for him. He's like what we all wanted Pouliot to be.

Maroon can drive possession and play multiple lines, while scoring in a complimentary role. The guy is good for 40-45 points a year. Go ahead and tell me the Sabres don't need depth scoring and possession.

ill believe in it if i can get an example of a universally agreed on talented team with bad culture that wasn't still good anyways
- robz228

Washington Capitals, 2008-2016

Talent got them to the playoffs.

if 90s bills didnt have a terrible culture and shoddy leadership they win multiple superbowls right
- robz228

Or if cocaine and alcohol weren't around.

off to Venn Diagram classes, lol?
- IonSabres

yeah, i went to cleveland hill we didn't have good culture so i didn't do well in math

Washington Capitals, 2008-2016

Talent got them to the playoffs.
- TheSabresTaco

so culture only matters in the playoffs?

Weber, 7 more years at 7.8 a year and people want to trade for him, and they want Risto and ROR gone.

You have to be F$$KIN kidding me.
- SABRES 89

I agree with the above 100%. Whatever many are drinking or smoking on this board, i am going to avoid like the plague.

Homieclown has been summing it nicely over the last couple of days. Hopefully Botts can shed ourselves of some of these terrible anchor contracts that he inherited - not acquire more of them. And let's stop the nonsense talk about Tavares coming to Buffalo. It ain't happening.

It's interesting that many on this forum want to try and speed up our rebuild vs doing it the right way. Cheveldae in Winnipeg is likely going to get GM of the year and he has set his team up for long term success. By drafting, developing, smart trades and being patient. I trust Botts knows more about how to run a hockey team than any of us and he won't do ridiculous things like trading for Weber and his albatross contract.

yeah, i went to cleveland hill we didn't have good culture so i didn't do well in math
- robz228

I mean... you aren't wrong. YUCK.

yeah, i went to cleveland hill we didn't have good culture so i didn't do well in math
- robz228

I had 3 friends come out of there. They all struggled with the hard drugs.

Culture. Bang on

so culture only matters in the playoffs?
- robz228

I really don't feel like arguing about this anymore, especially if you're not being sincere.

It's like arguing the existence of God. It's an idea. Some buy in, some are skeptical, some laugh. I don't give two poops where you stand. I stated my argument and I'm moving on.

so culture only matters in the playoffs?
- robz228

*Only if you play Pittsburgh.

I really don't feel like arguing about this anymore, especially if you're not being sincere.

It's like arguing the existence of God. It's an idea. Some buy in, some are skeptical, some laugh. I don't give two poops where you stand. I stated my argument and I'm moving on.
- TheSabresTaco

I'm in for this debate. Who wants to start?

I'm in for this debate. Who wants to start?
- sbroads24

Do you still have that fully loaded revolver?