I don't know how many times today I wanted to say Patience Lefty
- VANTEL

(frank) me you're the one who's being impatient, you want to compete and get better when they have no business getting better unless things work out perfectly. We all know how that goes

So basically sell low due to impatience
- Nucker101

no you want to close the gap between Horvat and these future draft picks you're wanting. Do you think Hextal was impatient selling Brayden Schenn? No he made room for Patrick and got another 1st round pick.

If Benning can get a high first for Tanev I'd be all over it, getting two second round picks is the same as the high first....potentially.

It's just that Tanev makes the most sense to me because he actually has some value.

(frank) me you're the one who's being impatient, you want to compete and get better when they have no business getting better unless things work out perfectly. We all know how that goes
- LeftCoaster

Where did I say that? I want to protect /insulate/teach the young players with veterans . You are the one wanting to sell Tanev and go into the year with Stecher Puoliot and Gudbrandson as your top RHD. Pay attention son. I want Tanev to stick around for a while.

no you want to close the gap between Horvat and these future draft picks you're wanting. Do you think Hextal was impatient selling Brayden Schenn? No he made room for Patrick and got another 1st round pick.

If Benning can get a high first for Tanev I'd be all over it, getting two second round picks is the same as the high first....potentially.
- LeftCoaster

Schenn and Tanev aren’t comparable at all.

Schenn was (at that time) coming off of the 2 best years of his career so no, he was not selling impatiently or selling low.

Now if Hexy trades Simmonds at the draft then we can talk about a comparable, but even that isn’t the exact same since Simmonds is a UFA next year and Tanev has 2 years left.

Im all for moving vets and moving Tanev eventually, but not right now

Where did I say that? I want to protect /insulate/teach the young players with veterans . You are the one wanting to sell Tanev and go into the year with Stecher Puoliot and Gudbrandson as your top RHD. Pay attention son. I want Tanev to stick around for a while.
- VANTEL

It effected a lot of the Oilers and the Leafs .

I think getting our asses kicked night after night would take it's toll

The idea is to improve year to year , then you can start to see daylight.

Moving up to 8-12 this year would be a huge step for Bo . It is finally his team not the Sedins team now.
- VANTEL

Right here, you want to get better year after year and move up this year because it'd be good for Bo.

Right here, you want to get better year after year and move up this year because it'd be good for Bo.
- LeftCoaster

WE FINISHED SIXTH LAST YEAR. OMG I WANT TO GO UP 2 TO 4 POSITIONS

Where did I say that? I want to protect /insulate/teach the young players with veterans . You are the one wanting to sell Tanev and go into the year with Stecher Puoliot and Gudbrandson as your top RHD. Pay attention son. I want Tanev to stick around for a while.
- VANTEL

Well I disagree with you . I think the Canucks are finally at a stage where they should look at improving year to year and not gutting it down to have a fire sale. Upgrade a few players at a time.
- VANTEL

And right here, again you want to improve this year. How I'm not sure. Trading Tanev won't affect where we finish.

WE FINISHED SIXTH LAST YEAR. OMG I WANT TO GO UP 2 TO 4 POSITIONS
- VANTEL

Why? What for?

If it happens it happens, but I'm not reaching to make it happen when I can build towards the future and take a couple good players in the second round or potentially the late first round.

Schenn and Tanev aren’t comparable at all.

Schenn was (at that time) coming off of the 2 best years of his career so no, he was not selling impatiently or selling low.

Now if Hexy trades Simmonds at the draft then we can talk about a comparable, but even that isn’t the exact same since Simmonds is a UFA next year and Tanev has 2 years left.

Im all for moving vets and moving Tanev eventually, but not right now
- Nucker101

Disagree, Tanev is regarded around the league as one of the better defensive players/defensemen, the GM's know this, he has value.

I think now is the time to get good value for him while the team is sucking, it'll help with the future, that's all I'm saying. I don't think he'll have more value at the TDL.

There's some good young dmen in the second round this year!!

And they said Cody Franson was a legit top 4 dman who couldn’t get a contract until September lol


They are flawed for sure, some newer ones are pretty good(I like the zone entry ones), but just looking at corsi alone is stupid
- Nucker101

I think almost every stat can be viewed differently depending on the factors involved ....as you learned in your stats classes in school all the factors have to remain the same to accurately compare ...and when it comes to hockey that just isn’t possible ...but if players do have good stats it’s still a good thing but just has to be noted there could be other factors that aren’t accounted for

Why? What for?
- LeftCoaster

Gheez I don't know why we should try to improve

Disagree, Tanev is regarded around the league as one of the better defensive players, the GM's know this, he has value.

I think now is the time to get good value for him while the team is sucking, it'll help with the future, that's all I'm saying. I don't think he'll have more value at the TDL.
- LeftCoaster

I guess that’s where we disagree then.

1) It’s always harder to acquire picks st the draft than the TDL. At the draft even good teams want to keep/add picks, at the TDL there’s teams aggressively looking to upgrade.

2) The draft takes place right before free agency, the good teams have hope to sign UFA’s rather than trading picks for someone

3) I do think Tanev’s value took a hit this year due to the injuries, and the injuries negatively impacted his play when he was on the ice. The chances that he once again misses a career high in games is definitely less than 50%

Gheez I don't know why we should try to improve
- VANTEL

You shouldn't, it's foolish at this point. As I just said in my edit above, if it happens, great, it means some of the kids worked out. If not, you don't make moves or not make moves because you want it.

That said, you don't keep all the older players around like Benning and Linden have to insulate kids. Trade some of them and get value for them now at the draft where you can pick up some good young prospects.

I guess that’s where we disagree then.

1) It’s always harder to acquire picks st the draft than the TDL. At the draft even good teams want to keep/add picks, at the TDL there’s teams aggressively looking to upgrade.

2) The draft takes place right before free agency, the good teams have hope to sign UFA’s rather than trading picks for someone

3) I do think Tanev’s value took a hit this year due to the injuries, and the injuries negatively impacted his play when he was on the ice. The chances that he once again misses a career high in games is definitely less than 50%
- Nucker101

You're reaching.....there's always movement at the draft, you guys are making it out like we're ruining the franchise by trading Chris (frank)in Tanev LOL. Get a couple picks for him and move on

We finished 6 th last year , It is not a bold statement to say we will finish 2 spots higher
- VANTEL

I'm wondering how much we will miss the Sedins? Their production, leadership- the example they set for fitness and professionalism. maybe some of this is overblown, but I guess we will have to wait and see.

I'm excited to see what happens. who steps up. who is on the pp. line combos.

young players should get better year to year, but without the Sedins, it is a big question mark where the team finishes.

(good discussion, I will return to my coffee. )

You shouldn't, it's foolish at this point. As I just said in my edit above, if it happens great, it means some of the kids worked out. If not, you don't make move or not make moves because you want it.

That said, you don't keep older players around like Benning and Linden have to insulate kids. Trade them and get value for them now at the draft where you can pick up some good young prospects.
- LeftCoaster

I think you need to learn the difference between trying to improve and swinging for the fences.

We are not talking about signing another Eriksson . We are talking about saying bye to Neilssen and easing in Demko. We are talking about giving Hutton his freedom to spend all his afternoons at Burger King and bringing in OJ or Sautner.

These are not Cup winning moves thy are called improvements.

Kuznetsov with 24 points in 19 games, not bad for a 26th overall pick. I think we were supposed to pick 25th right in front of him but Gillis traded for that defensemen who never worked out...what's his name?

I think you need to learn the difference between trying to improve and swinging for the fences.

We are not talking about signing another Eriksson . We are talking about saying bye to Neilssen and easing in Demko. We are talking about giving Hutton his freedom to spend all his afternoons at Burger King and bringing in OJ or Sautner.

These are not Cup winning moves thy are called improvements.
- VANTEL

Not even sure what this means or what it has to do with simply trading Chris Tanev for a couple of 2nds or a late 1st?

So basically sell low due to impatience
- Nucker101

Lol exactly. THe patient and prudent thing to do is be patient and make the right trade for our future. Tanev is our most important trade chip and can’t be dealt just because we need picks.

You're reaching.....there's always movement at the draft, you guys are making it out like we're ruining the franchise by trading Chris (frank)in Tanev LOL. Get a couple picks for him and move on
- LeftCoaster

Nah, all those points have sound reasoning.

I didn’t say trading him would ruin the franchise

I'm with Lefty, 2 2nds and a b prospect, if that is the rumoured value now is better than waiting for TDL.

Value might be better at TDL but it is also likely that Tanev is either injured or Benning doesn't move him because he thinks the team is "competitive".

I would love to get Hamonic value but Calgary straight up overpaid and received 3 years on a low cost contract. Hamonic also had ridiculous "intangible" market value.

I'm wondering how much we will miss the Sedins? Their production, leadership- the example they set for fitness and professionalism. maybe some of this is overblown, but I guess we will have to wait and see.

I'm excited to see what happens. who steps up. who is on the pp. line combos.

young players should get better year to year, but without the Sedins, it is a big question mark where the team finishes.

(good discussion, I will return to my coffee. )
- hillbillydeluxe

It will take time. Last year on a number of occasions the second unit came on and scored in their 30 seconds of PP time.

The PP went through the twins last year so a lot of those points were gifted. It will now become a 5 man PP instead of a 3 man.

Disagree, Tanev is regarded around the league as one of the better defensive players/defensemen, the GM's know this, he has value.

I think now is the time to get good value for him while the team is sucking, it'll help with the future, that's all I'm saying. I don't think he'll have more value at the TDL.

There's some good young dmen in the second round this year!!
- LeftCoaster

If he was offered 2 seconds then GMs don’t appreciate tanev. Either that or his value has fallen due an injury plagued season

Not even sure what this means or what it has to do with simply trading Chris Tanev for a couple of 2nds or a late 1st?
- LeftCoaster

It means that I am not suggesting trying to make the playoffs. All the moves I am mentioning are just upgrades on the current roster.

It means that I am not suggesting trying to make the playoffs. All the moves I am mentioning are just upgrades on the current roster.
- VANTEL

To me, you're suggesting we forego getting two seconds (in theory) for Tanev because you want to help insulate the kids and improve in the standings by a couple or four spots.....did I get that right?

I'm saying who cares about improving two or four spots and get the picks for Tanev and continue to build through the draft.