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Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jun 4 @ 10:41 AM ET
Hope not
- VANTEL


He is a guy I would consider in the 3rd.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jun 4 @ 10:48 AM ET
Can't wait. He would be a clear upgrade for our top 66.
- DutchSenators




Hell, he'll upgrade your top 33!
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 4 @ 10:55 AM ET
I think this will be an interesting draft for sure.
Lots of variables in play.

I'd be good with any of the top5 (after Dhalin, the Ruskie and Zadina are gone).

Tkatchuk
Wahlstrom
Boqvist
Hughes
Dobson

honorable mention goes to Bouchard, who is likely another solid pick.

- dbot

The only player on the list I wouldn't be happy taking is Tkachuk. I like Bouchard but I know Benning won't take him.

Crazy that Boqvist outdid Bouchard at the benchpress despite only weighing 165 No wonder he has such a good shot
storm88
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Surrey, BC
Joined: 09.29.2011

Jun 4 @ 11:05 AM ET
No......I'd draft a great kid at 7 and keep Demko, continue building.
- LeftCoaster


catching up.

but..... this above. end of story. I don't think Jimbo can afford to move that pick, period.

If any goalie gets moved, it's Dipietro. I'd rather keep accumulating assets. it's not time to trade them. The only way I'd be semi ok with moving the 7OA would be to move Tanev for the 12 or 13. Even then, I'd almost rather have the 7OA as well.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jun 4 @ 11:05 AM ET
Team that gets the experienced player doesn't come out on the better side of those trades. Although Hanifin is much younger at 22 next season.

Schneider was 27 and Ryan was 25 at the time of their trades.

- LeftCoaster


I'd do demko for hanifin in a half stroke of a power lifters squat.

Demko has proven nothing..... he looks good but could very well be another Markstrom.

Hanifin might never progress developmentally, struck as a top 4forever. They're the same age and demko might be a future star. Hanifin is a top 4, could still be a star.

So. Do you trade a young top 4 D with 10percent chance of being top 2 for a young AHL all star with possible nhl starter potential.

Ya'll are cra cra if you wouldn't do it straight up, and if we can unload some of our trash(Hutton, granlund, pullout, stretch, mdz, vantel, gagner, etc.... then it's a big time win win!
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 4 @ 11:14 AM ET
I'd do demko for hanifin in a half stroke of a power lifters squat.

Demko has proven nothing..... he looks good but could very well be another Markstrom.

Hanifin might never progress developmentally, struck as a top 4forever. They're the same age and demko might be a future star. Hanifin is a top 4, could still be a star.

So. Do you trade a young top 4 D with 10percent chance of being top 2 for a young AHL all star with possible nhl starter potential.

Ya'll are cra cra if you wouldn't do it straight up, and if we can unload some of our trash(Hutton, granlund, pullout, stretch, mdz, vantel, gagner, etc.... then it's a big time win win!

- Pres.cup

Saw you sneak that in there.

Until recently hearing the Hanifin rumours made me think he would be a good fit as he brings something this team needs, but the price would be too high. Demko alone wouldn't get you Hanifin and the 7th OA alone wouldn't do it.

No point making a trade for him when we can keep the 7th OA and let JB have his choice of the Dmen remaining on the board where we pick.

We have 2 very good goaltending prospects and giving one up now would be a mistake imo
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Jun 4 @ 11:34 AM ET
weird way to value a player


the #4 dman on the Canucks is not as valuable as the #4 dman on the preds lol


Brandon Sutter = Evgeni Malkin

- Nucker101


I seriously believe that was how the trade conversation happened when Benning traded for him.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jun 4 @ 11:38 AM ET
Saw you sneak that in there.

Until recently hearing the Hanifin rumours made me think he would be a good fit as he brings something this team needs, but the price would be too high. Demko alone wouldn't get you Hanifin and the 7th OA alone wouldn't do it.

No point making a trade for him when we can keep the 7th OA and let JB have his choice of the Dmen remaining on the board where we pick.

We have 2 very good goaltending prospects and giving one up now would be a mistake imo

- NorthNuck


I heard they want demko as the center piece of the trade.

Demko isn't worth the 7oa. So if he's the center of the trade then the 7ov isn't included, which must mean that we're throwing in sven, a second and dragon in exchange for hanifin and bingo.

I'm ok with that trade
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 4 @ 12:00 PM ET
I heard they want demko as the center piece of the trade.

Demko isn't worth the 7oa. So if he's the center of the trade then the 7ov isn't included, which must mean that we're throwing in sven, a second and dragon in exchange for hanifin and bingo.

I'm ok with that trade

- Pres.cup

To me that's weakening one position to strengthen another, which to me isn't worth it when the position you're hurting is goaltending. If we trade Demko our next hope at having a consistantly competant goalie is what? Minimum 4 years away? Plus we'd be giving up other players, further weakening our already weak pool of assests.

We definitely need to overhaul our D corps, I've been on board with that for years, but we're going to get another very good Dman at the draft and OJ hopefully makes the team this year. Patience is required
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jun 4 @ 1:03 PM ET
Meh.
I don't know if it's that big of a deal.
He's almost a year younger than other's in his draft year is highly skilled, a great skater and has a howitzer.
He's a PP QB that we need.

i'd be down if he passes all the physical's.

- dbot

I deal with concussion patients at work. Don't discount it it's a BIG deal and in an athlete it it can be the end.
Recall that his last season has been not the same as before. He may already be seeing the decline due to concussions.

Lets let him be some other teams issue, we don't need a wasted 7oa pick
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 4 @ 1:13 PM ET
18 days and counting.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jun 4 @ 1:18 PM ET
To me that's weakening one position to strengthen another, which to me isn't worth it when the position you're hurting is goaltending. If we trade Demko our next hope at having a consistantly competant goalie is what? Minimum 4 years away? Plus we'd be giving up other players, further weakening our already weak pool of assests.

We definitely need to overhaul our D corps, I've been on board with that for years, but we're going to get another very good Dman at the draft and OJ hopefully makes the team this year. Patience is required

- NorthNuck

we could spare dipietro however.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 4 @ 1:21 PM ET
https://thecanuckway.com/...to-fix-the-draft-lottery/

Perspective on another way to handle draft positioning. Some good ideas here
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 4 @ 1:22 PM ET
we could spare dipietro however.
- SMBDragon

Carolina doesn't want a goalie that is at least 4 years away, they want to get better now.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jun 4 @ 1:25 PM ET
To me that's weakening one position to strengthen another, which to me isn't worth it when the position you're hurting is goaltending. If we trade Demko our next hope at having a consistantly competant goalie is what? Minimum 4 years away? Plus we'd be giving up other players, further weakening our already weak pool of assests.

We definitely need to overhaul our D corps, I've been on board with that for years, but we're going to get another very good Dman at the draft and OJ hopefully makes the team this year. Patience is required

- NorthNuck


But which player is a bigger asset?

Demko has similar odds of busting as hanifin is of becoming a number one defensemen.

Losing the throw ins that I listed doesn't really weaken our team any. So what if we lose a hutton or a pullout? Draft a top rhd at 7ov in bodqvist, trade demko, hutton, Sven and Neem for hanifin and Bingo.

Demko isn't proven anything.
Hanifin has.
It would be a steal, could probably get McDavid from Edmonton for hanifin and bingo, based strictly of their trade record.
Why do we over value the shinkurucks and the demkos of the world?

I love me some Thatcher but asset management people.
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Jun 4 @ 1:25 PM ET
Carolina imo would want the 7th AND Demko for Hanifin.
- LeftCoaster


hes not worth either
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jun 4 @ 1:26 PM ET
I deal with concussion patients at work. Don't discount it it's a BIG deal and in an athlete it it can be the end.
Recall that his last season has been not the same as before. He may already be seeing the decline due to concussions.

Lets let him be some other teams issue, we don't need a wasted 7oa pick

- SMBDragon


He played in the top swedish league as a 16/17yo..... instead of junior's, that's why his numbers took a hit.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jun 4 @ 1:27 PM ET
Carolina doesn't want a goalie that is at least 4 years away, they want to get better now.
- NorthNuck

We don't.
4years is perfect for us.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 4 @ 1:30 PM ET
But which player is a bigger asset?

Demko has similar odds of busting as hanifin is of becoming a number one defensemen.

Losing the throw ins that I listed doesn't really weaken our team any. So what if we lose a hutton or a pullout? Draft a top rhd at 7ov in bodqvist, trade demko, hutton, Sven and Neem for hanifin and Bingo.

Demko isn't proven anything.
Hanifin has.
It would be a steal, could probably get McDavid from Edmonton for hanifin and bingo, based strictly of their trade record.
Why do we over value the shinkurucks and the demkos of the world?

I love me some Thatcher but asset management people.

- Pres.cup

I understand the argument that Demko has yet to prove anything, but this kid has been in the canucks system for several years now. They have been grooming him for the starter role and by all indications he will at some point in the next few years be able to take it and spend a very long time there.

I just think if the canucks have faith in their prospect management/goalie coaches then why would they invest so much time and effort into a kid only to hand him over to another team before giving him the chance to play in the NHL?

If Carolina does that trade then they obviously believe Demko will be more valuable to them long term, so why would we accept?
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 4 @ 1:33 PM ET
We don't.
4years is perfect for us.

- Pres.cup



You have to start somewhere. You can't expect to have all of the top prospects arrive at the same time and have the team be suddenly amazing. Demko is the perfect age for the canucks rebuild, he will have experience by the time the team is ready to compete. Dipietro will just barely be old enough to play in the NHL, not to mention him making it is not a given.
johnnykarate
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.03.2018

Jun 4 @ 1:56 PM ET


You have to start somewhere. You can't expect to have all of the top prospects arrive at the same time and have the team be suddenly amazing. Demko is the perfect age for the canucks rebuild, he will have experience by the time the team is ready to compete. Dipietro will just barely be old enough to play in the NHL, not to mention him making it is not a given.

- NorthNuck


demko is at minimum 2 years away from getting 40 starts in a season. timing for him becoming a starter here works well for the forward group emerging into their prime years

if only we had a few defenseman that could be ready too..
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 4 @ 1:57 PM ET
demko is at minimum 2 years away from getting 40 starts in a season. timing for him becoming a starter here works well for the forward group emerging into their prime years

if only we had a few defenseman that could be ready too..

- johnnykarate

That's hopefully what this years draft is all about
johnnykarate
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.03.2018

Jun 4 @ 2:04 PM ET
That's hopefully what this years draft is all about
- NorthNuck


hopefully it works out but i think they messed up the timing a bit. even if youre talking really good prospects they can still take a while to solidfy themselves:

goalies 4-7 years
defenseman 3-6 years
forwards 1-4 years

theyll be fortunate if a defenseman in this draft can crack the lineup and play 40+ games before the 2020-21 season imo
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jun 4 @ 2:17 PM ET
Watching 12 Strong with my wife right now, good film.
- LeftCoaster

Good to know from the trailers it didn't look all that good...will check it.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 4 @ 2:18 PM ET
Demko for Hanifin all day long.
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