Agreed, he’s a former all-star.
- gordong

FTFY

So nylander is a center now ? News to me
- gerbe75pts

Learn to read... it will serve you well in the future....

How is he winner ? Just wondering

He’s going to be 30 and we’re going to give him a 8m deal ? I don’t like that

he’s going to decline if he hasn’t already

Drouin another nylander ...What have you seen him play He’s being forced to play a position that he’s not good at
- gerbe75pts

Pacioretti did take a step back production wise last year, but still potted 17.
I’d rather have him in the locker room than Drouin, and sure as hell would rather have him with Jack.
Contract going forward is only drawback.

Is he fast?
Never really noticed his speed one way or the other
Montreal has been a mess though

And character & work ethic probably need to be a concern with anyone we add to this room
Not sure where he is on those things

I really liked him a lot when he was drafted though
Was hoping he’d fall far enough that we could trade up for him
I’m surprised he hasn’t worked out better for Montreal
But he probably hasn’t been handled great either

They really need to burn it down & rebuild
They’re the new version of Calgary from years ago (with Iginla) when they stayed a borderline playoff team with no real hope of contending
- jdfitz77

Chuk has Reinhart syndrom. They're a very similar breed of player, where I think Alex is a little faster and Reinhart, my guess, has a higher offensive upside.

So nylander is a center now ? News to me
- gerbe75pts

No, to date he just sucks.

No, to date he just sucks.
- IonSabres

Ding, ding.....We have a winner.

Grigorenko was not a big piece in the O'Reilly Trade. Zadorov, Compher, and the high 2nd round pick were the main pieces. Grigs was a secondary piece bordering on thrown in.

It will be interesting to see what kind of value Girgensons has right now if and when he is dealt. My bet is not a lot.
- GilPerreault11

Yes, he was. Saying he wasn't is revisionist history because he is no longer there.

He was just as big of a peice as Zadorov at the time and Compher and the 31st were the minor parts of the deal.

And my point is more that if he was a random 4th rounder, he doesn't have the draft status that would interest other teams in a trade.

Look at what Curtis Lazar netted Ottawa after literally doing nothing for them for 2-3 years

Learn to read... it will serve you well in the future....
- gordong

I said he’s playing a position that is making him unsuccessful ..

And you said NYLANDER!! Like it means something to the Conversation

Is Kempny that good or is he benefiting from playing with Carlson?

How does a guy goes from being scratched in Chicago to playing a key role in Washington?

Yes, he was. Saying he wasn't is revisionist history because he is no longer there.

He was just as big of a peice as Zadorov at the time and Compher and the 31st were the minor parts of the deal.

And my point is more that if he was a random 4th rounder, he doesn't have the draft status that would interest other teams in a trade.

Look at what Curtis Lazar netted Ottawa after literally doing nothing for them for 2-3 years
- sbroads24

I don't think so. Roy was his former coach. It was a Hail Mary reclamation project throw-in. It was actually a perfect fit for him

Zadorov and Compher were the mains. Grigorenko was a part, no doubt, but not the main imo.

Technically Grigorenko did work out for the Sabres. He was a big peice in landing O’Reilly.

This is the part people are forgetting, even if one of our 1sts are underwhelming, they still hold value for years.

Even Girgensons has some value right now
- sbroads24

Pacioretti did take a step back production wise last year, but still potted 17.
I’d rather have him in the locker room than Drouin, and sure as hell would rather have him with Jack.
Contract going forward is only drawback.
- IonSabres

Drouin Contract is going to be one of steals of the league when he gets moved back to wing

Is Kempny that good or is he benefiting from playing with Carlson?

How does a guy goes from being scratched in Chicago to playing a key role in Washington?
- Stripes77

He reminds me of McNabb, how he was a toss around until he got to Vegas.

I don't think so. Roy was his former coach. It was a Hail Mary reclamation project throw-in. It was actually a perfect fit for him

Zadorov and Compher were the mains. Grigorenko was a part, no doubt, but not the main imo.
- jcragcrumple

He was a full time Av for two years after the trade. How is that a hail mary reclamation project?

He was a full time NHL'er well before Zadorov.

This is easy to say now that he's in Russia and wasn't very good.

And i'm not sticking up for him as a hockey player

He was a full time Av for two years after the trade. How is that a hail mary reclamation project?

He was a full time NHL'er well before Zadorov.

This is easy to say now that he's in Russia and wasn't very good.

And i'm not sticking up for him as a hockey player
- sbroads24

Because he had 14p in 68gp for Buffalo and was generally bad.

Murray would have given him up for anything. If sure Roy told Sakic he wanted to take a shot on him

His last two seasons in the league were better than Girgensons', so there's that, too.

Because he had 14p in 68gp for Buffalo and was generally bad.

Murray would have given him up for anything. If sure Roy told Sakic he wanted to take a shot on him

His last two seasons in the league were better than Girgensons', so there's that, too.
- jcragcrumple

http://www.thehockeynews....oid-at-the-trade-deadline

The other two though… not so much. Mikhail Grigorenko was the prize of the Ryan O’Reilly trade and he hasn’t worked out either. Imagine being 6.5 shot attempts worse on a team as bad as the Avs because that’s what Grigorenko is working with. But even he isn’t as bad as Curtis Lazar, who somehow has hype behind him. Somehow. He’s got one point in 32 games this season and is one of the league’s worst possession players at minus-24 net shots per 60. Blame his linemates if you want, because Chris Kelly and Chris Neil are terrible, but even they’re doing better than him. Young reclamation projects are nice gambles on most deadlines, but this time around it’s hard to see as much upside given how these three have played.

Again, not defending him as a hockey player, but this wasn't the narrative at first

Is Kempny that good or is he benefiting from playing with Carlson?

How does a guy goes from being scratched in Chicago to playing a key role in Washington?
- Stripes77

Some Hawk fans loved him and thought he needed a more extended role to be successful

he has looked great but I’m a little worried about those types that get hot and you get burned

People saying Grigorenko was not a main piece ? It was him and Zadorov if we didn’t have Grigorenko we probably have to give up another first

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/who-to-target-who-to-avoid-at-the-trade-deadline

The other two though… not so much. Mikhail Grigorenko was the prize of the Ryan O’Reilly trade and he hasn’t worked out either. Imagine being 6.5 shot attempts worse on a team as bad as the Avs because that’s what Grigorenko is working with. But even he isn’t as bad as Curtis Lazar, who somehow has hype behind him. Somehow. He’s got one point in 32 games this season and is one of the league’s worst possession players at minus-24 net shots per 60. Blame his linemates if you want, because Chris Kelly and Chris Neil are terrible, but even they’re doing better than him. Young reclamation projects are nice gambles on most deadlines, but this time around it’s hard to see as much upside given how these three have played.

Again, not defending him as a hockey player, but this wasn't the narrative at first
- sbroads24

This was written a year ago, 2 years after the trade

This was written a year ago, 2 years after the trade
- jcragcrumple

Yes, when people started talking about him as a "reclamation project"

Yes, when people started talking about him as a "reclamation project"
- sbroads24

He played parts of 3 seasons for the Sabres and was not good. He was a reclamation project at the end of that 3rd year, if not sooner

Chuk has Reinhart syndrom. They're a very similar breed of player, where I think Alex is a little faster and Reinhart, my guess, has a higher offensive upside.
- TheSabresTaco

I don’t agree with this at all you should look up what line he’s played on and the minutes


His speed is not even remotely close to sam

Yes, he was. Saying he wasn't is revisionist history because he is no longer there.

He was just as big of a peice as Zadorov at the time and Compher and the 31st were the minor parts of the deal.

And my point is more that if he was a random 4th rounder, he doesn't have the draft status that would interest other teams in a trade.

Look at what Curtis Lazar netted Ottawa after literally doing nothing for them for 2-3 years
- sbroads24

Without saying you are anything but wrong, which I feel like doing, I won't because it is a waste of time. He was, at the time, as close to a throw in, hope for the best reclamation project because Roy coached him in juniors.

People saying Grigorenko was not a main piece ? It was him and Zadorov if we didn’t have Grigorenko we probably have to give up another first
- gerbe75pts

Compher was the other piece that sealed the deal, if they didn't have him I doubt the deal gets done.

He played parts of 3 seasons for the Sabres and was not good. He was a reclamation project at the end of that 3rd year, if not sooner
- jcragcrumple

This is silly to argue about, but he was still considered a high upside prospect when we moved him which is exactly what Zadorov was.

I would agree that Zadorov was probably the main peice, but it went Grigo, the 31st and Compher as far as importance in that deal.