If I was Calgary I wouldn't have traded Hamonic for 2 firsts and a second but hey some GMs do crazy sh1t
- VANTEL

1 1st, 2 2nds.

Every GM makes a bad deal somewhere look at

Treliving Hamonic for 2 firsts and a second

Burke Kessel for 2 firsts and a second

McPhee Foresberg for Erat

Bergeron Subban for Weber , Droun for Sergachev

Chia Pet Larson for Hall
- VANTEL

This just deflects from our argument ....even has you admitting I’m right if you can’t defend against it and have to use other GM comparables

I think by the end of this year you’ll have the Hamonic trade at 3 firsts lol

This just deflects from our argument ....even has you admitting I’m right if you can’t defend against it and have to use other GM comparables

I think by the end of this year you’ll have the Hamonic trade at 3 firsts lol
- Redmile247

It will always seem like two firsts and a second .

Anyways I like Canucks management group and coaching staff better than any of the Alberta teams

It will always seem like two firsts and a second .

Anyways I like Canucks management group and coaching staff better than any of the Alberta teams
- VANTEL

I was never mentioning any other teams ...but yes I can see you do

Horvat has had better numbers than Hank in his first 4 years but he is sitting around the 50 pt mark after 4 years. I think he will hit 70 pts around his 7 th year .

Horvat is the same era as EP . I still think players peak around 24-25 . Just my opinion.
- VANTEL

That's fair, and they very well might peak around that time. Initially you asked what's going to be the C situation for this year and why do people think signing a stop-gap for 2 years is all we need. Personally it's because I think in 2 or 3 years Horvat Pettersson and Gaudette will be able to hold down the top 3 C spots on our team and if we get there and they're not ready just sign another FA for a year or 2.

At this point I'd be happy with a Gudbranson for Bjugstad trade even though I'm not a huge fan of his, I hate him less that Gudbranson and we need a center.

I was never mentioning any other teams ...but yes I can see you do
- Redmile247

Gudbrandson was a bad trade because he has been injured for more than half his term here. Pile on top of that he comes in under two different coaches and systems and has been paired with less than desirable partners.

How good do you expect him to be.

That's fair, and they very well might peak around that time. Initially you asked what's going to be the C situation for this year and why do people think signing a stop-gap for 2 years is all we need. Personally it's because I think in 2 or 3 years Horvat Pettersson and Gaudette will be able to hold down the top 3 C spots on our team and if we get there and they're not ready just sign another FA for a year or 2.
- NorthNuck

Agree, we're not looking at peak years, we're just looking at playing the position. Following next season I expect Pettersson to be playing center, as a 21 year old.

Agree, were not looking at peak years were just looking at playing the position. Following next season I expect Pettersson to be playing center, as a 21 year old.
- LeftCoaster

Same. And of course that will be in sheltered minutes to start, but he'll learn fast I would expect.

Gudbrandson was a bad trade because he has been injured for more than half his term here. Pile on top of that he comes in under two different coaches and systems and has been paired with less than desirable partners.

How good do you expect him to be.
- VANTEL

I think they would have hoped he by a good 3/4 guy who helps stabilize the youth on the back end

That's fair, and they very well might peak around that time. Initially you asked what's going to be the C situation for this year and why do people think signing a stop-gap for 2 years is all we need. Personally it's because I think in 2 or 3 years Horvat Pettersson and Gaudette will be able to hold down the top 3 C spots on our team and if we get there and they're not ready just sign another FA for a year or 2.
- NorthNuck

I think Petterson would be so much better off playing with a ROR or a RNH than learning with Granlund or Sutter.

It will make a huge difference . It could also be a winger like a James Neal over a Sven Baertschi

I think they would have hoped he by a good 3/4 guy who helps stabilize the youth on the back end
- Redmile247

He's not even close to that

Same. And of course that will be in sheltered minutes to start, but he'll learn fast I would expect.
- NorthNuck

The kid is super talented, he'll just need some time to adjust I would think. He way more skilled than Horvat so I expect him to be the number one in three years time.

I think they would have hoped he by a good 3/4 guy who helps stabilize the youth on the back end
- Redmile247

He is healthy now so lets see

I think Petterson would be so much better off playing with a ROR or a RNH than learning with Granlund or Sutter.

It will make a huge difference . It could also be a winger like a James Neal over a Sven Baertschi
- VANTEL

Play him with Gaudette or whoever they sign in free agency to start. If he does well, put him with Bo and Brock. Sutter's going to be playing shut down of the top lines so he's the only one off the table. If Pettersson is scoring and playing well why not play him with the best?

The kid is super talented, he'll just need some time to adjust I would think. He way more skilled than Horvat so I expect him to be the number one in three years time.
- LeftCoaster

You did say less than a week ago you can't slot them in on potential!

Play him with Gaudette or whoever they sign in free agency to start. If he does well, put him with Bo and Brock. Sutter's going to be playing shut down of the top lines so he's the only one off the table. If Pettersson is scoring and playing well why not play him with the best?
- NorthNuck

Gaudette is trying to find his game also . He needs to play with experience too same as EP

I think Petterson would be so much better off playing with a ROR or a RNH than learning with Granlund or Sutter.

It will make a huge difference . It could also be a winger like a James Neal over a Sven Baertschi
- VANTEL

What is with your "learning" thing? What's he learning? You don't need to be a great player to know the game well. He'll learn nothing from the players who play other than tendencies of other players and where to be on the ice in certain situations. But that's also what coaches are for.

Talent wise the other players will learn from him, not the other way around. He's probably the most talent Canucks player already.

What is with your "learning" thing? What's he learning? You don't need to be a great player to know the game well. He'll learn nothing from the players who play other than tendencies of other players and where to be on the ice in certain situations. But that's also what coaches are for.

Talent wise the other players will learn from him, not the other way around. He's probably the most talent Canucks player already.
- LeftCoaster

Too lazy to look back when last week I had EP and Dahlen as the second line and you came in and said you can't build your line up on potential

You did say less than a week ago you can't slot them in on potential!

- VANTEL

Of course not, that's why I think Pettersson will be sheltered on the third line to start the year and I'm not worried about his center. If he forces his way up the food chain then great, but to slot him in on the top six right now is wrong.

Because of his talent level I expect him on the team, unlike other kids who they've drafted and might not be on the team.

Of course not, that's why I think Pettersson will be sheltered on the third line to start the year and I'm not worried about his center. If he forces his way up the food chain then great, but to slot him in on the top six right now is wrong.

Because of his talent level I expect him on the team, unlike other kids who they've drafted and might not be on the team.
- LeftCoaster

The third line is Sutters line .

You have stated before Sutter would be a horrible line mate for him

Too lazy to look back when last week I had EP and Dahlen as the second line and you came in and said you can't build your line up on potential
- VANTEL

No....I said you can't call Bennings picks NHL players until they've played a full season. People were saying Gaudette an NHL player because he played five games at the end of the year, that doesn't classify him as a winning draft pick for Benning

The third line is Sutters line .

You have stated before Sutter would be a horrible line mate for him
- VANTEL

Sutter would be, but in the short term, who cares, it won't matter, I'm thinking long term.

Sutter would be, but in the short term, who cares, it won't matter, I'm thinking long term.
- LeftCoaster

They saw them playing good on a line and everyone in here creamed to get LE for the twins ....there was lots of chatter prior to his signing
- Redmile247

yes Im familiar....just cant recall how many years previous that was to signing here