I'm not sure you're using that word correctly
- TheSabresTaco

I was a physical leader on that taco last night.... dinner and bed if you know what I'm saying.


You get what I'm saying though.

Physical leader?
- sbroads24

he is so physical he spent 2 minutes in the box this year

Let's not forget Seth Jones wasn't elite Seth until he left Nashville

I'm going to disagree with the hockey IQ he was drafted beacuse he was beyond his years and ready for the NHL
And he got very High Praise for his intelligence in the game
- gerbe75pts

Wait, you hate Risto but think Seth Jones is elite? WTF?

I wonder if he truly asked for a trade. Makes things...


Complicated.
- TheSabresTaco

We are going to get a good return for him

Wait, you hate Risto but think Seth Jones is elite? WTF?
- Wetbandit1

Because Jones....is?

If ROR even took some faceoffs and then let Casey play the pivot.
- JVince11

this is what I am hoping for

We are going to get a good return for him
- sbroads24

I have no reason to believe he won't. I just want top wing talent.

I wonder if he truly asked for a trade. Makes things...


Complicated.
- TheSabresTaco

I don't believe he did. Botterill said no one asked for a trade.

Physical leader?
- sbroads24

So many people have blinders on about him. It's frustrating.

I honestly think people value RoR's faceoffs above Eichel's zone entries.

We are going to get a good return for him
- sbroads24

Are you talking Risto or ROR here? I am confused on the Seth Jones part.


Either way.... I'm not for trading Risto either.

"We need at least a stellar top for in the NHL" - everyone here

We sign a rookie Pilut and will a potential franchise D-men in Dahlin who could take time to adjust.....

"Trade Scandella and Risto man.. we don't need anyone now that the rookies are here" - Everyone now

So many people have blinders on about him. It's frustrating.

I honestly think people value RoR's faceoffs above Eichel's zone entries.
- Lunaion

People don't understand how ice time inflates point totals.

60 points!!!

Because Jones....is?
- sbroads24

Risto has 31 less points playing in 47 fewer games.....on some of the WORST Sabres teams ever. Compared to Jones who has gone from the Preds (a good team) to the Jackets (another good team).

he is so physical he spent 2 minutes in the box this year
- homiedclown

nuf said right there...

Risto has 31 less points playing in 47 fewer games.....on some of the WORST Sabres teams ever. Compared to Jones who has gone from the Preds (a good team) to the Jackets (another good team).
- feetontheair22

Points..... is that seriously our only measure of how good someone is?

And how many more minutes over that time has each played? I'd wager Risto had hundreds more

Are you talking Risto or ROR here? I am confused on the Seth Jones part.


Either way.... I'm not for trading Risto either.

"We need at least a stellar top for in the NHL" - everyone here

We sign a rookie Pilut and will a potential franchise D-men in Dahlin who could take time to adjust.....

"Trade Scandella and Risto man.. we don't need anyone now that the rookies are here" - Everyone now



- JVince11

O'Reilly. He will fetch a nice return when moved

Points..... is that seriously our only measure of how good someone is?

And how many more minutes over that time has each played? I'd wager Risto had hundreds more
- sbroads24

He plays a ton of minutes because we SUCK.

Points..... is that seriously our only measure of how good someone is?

And how many more minutes over that time has each played? I'd wager Risto had hundreds more
- sbroads24

Over the last 3 seasons combined per 60 minutes of ice time Jones has a 1.43 vs Risto a 1.25 pts per 60.

Risto played about 550 more minutes over those 3 seasons than Jones did.

Wait, you hate Risto but think Seth Jones is elite? WTF?
- Wetbandit1

Nice try but I’m not Biting

People don't understand how playing with mediocre wingers, on the league’s lowest scoring team, in heavy defensive situations, deflates point totals.

60 points!!!
- sbroads24

FIXED

Ppl who think O’Reilly is a really good player:
Media “Experts”
Analytics community (by your own words)
His peers
GMs & Coaches throughout the league
Team Canada

Ppl who don’t:
You & 365 (and a handful of other posters)

The scales are decidedly tipped in one direction here


And I’m only responding bc you’re talking sh!t AGAIN

People don't understand how ice time inflates point totals.

60 points!!!
- sbroads24

Yea but if 65% of your ice time is in your own defensive zone because you are on a bad team.... that deflates point totals.

Points..... is that seriously our only measure of how good someone is?

And how many more minutes over that time has each played? I'd wager Risto had hundreds more
- sbroads24

Risto - 8356 minutes; 24.15 min./game
Jones - 8604 minutes; 21.89 min./game

I think it would be fair to say that Risto has had two more shifts per game than Jones over their career. That being said, you can't downplay how the absolutely abysmal quality of those Sabres teams affected the types of situations he was seeing.

EDIT: I dont' know if you've ever check this out before...but hockey-reference has this awesome feature to compare players stats n whatnot https://www.hockey-refere...ay-index/pcomp_finder.cgi

FIXED

Ppl who think O’Reilly is a really good player:
Media “Experts”
Analytics community (by your own words)
His peers
GMs & Coaches throughout the league
Team Canada

Ppl who don’t:
You & 365 (and a handful of other posters)

The scales are decidedly tipped in one direction here


And I’m only responding bc you’re talking sh!t AGAIN
- jdfitz77

He is a good player.

Why is that?
- Cup Crazy '07

Draft

Risto - 8356 minutes; 24.15 min./game
Jones - 8604 minutes; 21.89 min./game

I think it would be fair to say that Risto has had two more shifts per game than Jones over their career. That being said, you can't downplay how the absolutely abysmal quality of those Sabres teams affected the types of situations he was seeing.
- feetontheair22

Except Ristolainen's most common icemates have been O''Reilly, Eichel, Reinhart, Kane and Scandella. Our best players.

This is a caveat. They can't ALL be really god, and at the same time us be 31st.

It doesn't work that way

I just got back from the golf course

no rain, no clouds


once again you are providing fake news
- homiedclown

I’m in Florida right now bro it’s raining like crazy