This team gets 10-15 more wins a season with a competent bottom 6. It's laughable that some don't see the significance of depth and defensive scoring.

I feel I laid out in spades why it is different in the 2nd last blog at the end.
Not my issue if you didn’t read it though.

So, you want to have an everything must go firesale. Through out the baby, the bathtub and all the linen with the Baby.
Good luck with that.
- IonSabres

Because it could get...how much worse exactly?

This team improves by 10-15 points, and still plays the boring, slow, non-entertaining style they did last year.... many people will stop watching, who haven't already

Because it could get...how much worse exactly?

This team improves by 10-15 points, and still plays the boring, slow, non-entertaining style they did last year.... many people will stop watching, who haven't already
- sbroads24

The best thing that could happen to this team is that ROR is traded for a top flight winger and we are able to trade for or sign an interim defensive center to protect CM. He's your best trade chip, and the one that makes the most sense for the team.

This team gets 10-15 more wins a season with a competent bottom 6. It's laughable that some don't see the significance of depth and defensive scoring.
- TheSabresTaco

There is no bottom 6 anywhere worth 10-15 wins.

This team gets 10-15 more wins a season with a competent bottom 6. It's laughable that some don't see the significance of depth and defensive scoring.
- TheSabresTaco

So they would still be a sub .500 hockey club.

Based on last years standings 25th place.

Cool, i guess, if that is what you are going for.

The best thing that could happen to this team is that ROR is traded for a top flight winger and we are able to trade for or sign an interim defensive center to protect CM. He's your best trade chip, and the one that makes the most sense for the team.
- TheSabresTaco

We need assets everywhere. Still need defense, have nothing solidified in net, and have maybe the worst group of wingers in the league.

I would try and move him for a package of assets.

1st + top 9 winger + prospect. Even if we need to add something

There is no bottom 6 anywhere worth 10-15 wins.
- sbroads24

It depends. If we're moving guys from our top-6 into the bottom 6, and bringing in new top-6, it would absolutely make a 10-15 win difference.


If the 3rd line is wilson-Mitts-okposo instead of Moulson-Larsson-Griffith, that's a HUGE difference

So they would still be a sub .500 hockey club.

Based on last years standings 25th place.

Cool, i guess, if that is what you are going for.
- ImThatGuy

Seriously, we were so bad it's not funny.

But just some tweaks and add Dahlin....

There is no bottom 6 anywhere worth 10-15 wins.
- sbroads24

Bottom 6 and defensemen. You lose enough 1 or 2 goal games like we have, I'm willing to bet one goal from the group every game gets us at least 10 more wins. Get the science out.

So they would still be a sub .500 hockey club.

Based on last years standings 25th place.

Cool, i guess, if that is what you are going for.
- ImThatGuy

Oh FFS.

It depends. If we're moving guys from our top-6 into the bottom 6, and bringing in new top-6, it would absolutely make a 10-15 win difference.


If the 3rd line is wilson-Mitts-okposo instead of Moulson-Larsson-Griffith, that's a HUGE difference
- jcragcrumple

It really doesn't. There is no adjustment to the bottom 6 that makes a 20-30 point difference.

WAR is a flawed stat, but the best players in the game (MCDavid, Crosby, etc) account for 5-8 wins per season.

Those guys produce more than most teams entire 3rd lines

That narrative is completely wrong, you know it too.
But I get the environment...say it enough and someone believes you.
Politics my friend, Politics...
You are a natural.
- IonSabres

The main problem the last 3 years is scoring and the league is going back to run and gun fast offense

But let’s ignore it

We need assets everywhere. Still need defense, have nothing solidified in net, and have maybe the worst group of wingers in the league.

I would try and move him for a package of assets.

1st + top 9 winger + prospect. Even if we need to add something
- sbroads24

Compete later vs now. I disagree. But the only way to come up with a definitive decision is to actually see all the offers laid out by the GMs themselves.

The WGR Renauld Levoie interview was terrible.

The epitome of saying words without saying anything.

Compete later vs now. I disagree. But the only way to come up with a definitive decision is to actually see all the offers laid out by the GMs themselves.
- TheSabresTaco

Here's the thing......We aren't competing, or close to competing now.

It's later vs multiple assets later

The main problem the last 3 years is scoring and the league is going back to fun and gun fast offense

But let’s ignore it
- gerbe75pts

You guys are (frank)ing brutal.

We all want the same thing.

Like the only thing we want is a good bottom 6. (frank) you.

Here's the thing......We aren't competing, or close to competing now.

It's later vs multiple assets later
- sbroads24

Perhaps. I'd be willing to comment after free agency is over. From where we stand now, I agree.

It really doesn't. There is no adjustment to the bottom 6 that makes a 20-30 point difference.

WAR is a flawed stat, but the best players in the game (MCDavid, Crosby, etc) account for 5-8 wins per season.

Those guys produce more than most teams entire 3rd lines
- sbroads24

My point is that pushing guys down the depth chart means that the top of the depth chart is getting better. If my aforementioned 3rd line is similar to that, I'm assuming Eichel isn't playing with 28 and 29 anymore

I think you ignored most of my post. Erod played enough games here to essentially be a part of last year's line up, for this exercise.
- TheSabresTaco

Yes I did misread it. In the grand scheme of things the Sabres do have a max of 50 contracts to hand out. I was more or less saying that is going to look a hell of a lot different then the last previous years once you factor in the contracts leaving and the contracts coming in. There will be a 40% change in the makeup of the roster we ice every night but if you factor in Rochester as well the make up of the organization from top to bottom will look extremely different in the coming year or two.

It depends. If we're moving guys from our top-6 into the bottom 6, and bringing in new top-6, it would absolutely make a 10-15 win difference.


If the 3rd line is wilson-Mitts-okposo instead of Moulson-Larsson-Griffith, that's a HUGE difference
- jcragcrumple

i would feel bad for mitts.. he will be crossing the blue line before okposo realizes we have the puck

Yes I did misread it. In the grand scheme of things the Sabres do have a max of 50 contracts to hand out. I was more or less saying that is going to look a hell of a lot different then the last previous years once you factor in the contracts leaving and the contracts coming in. There will be a 40% change in the makeup of the roster we ice every night but if you factor in Rochester as well the make up of the organization from top to bottom will look extremely different in the coming year or two.
- Pegullaville

I can get on board with your revised statement

It depends. If we're moving guys from our top-6 into the bottom 6, and bringing in new top-6, it would absolutely make a 10-15 win difference.


If the 3rd line is wilson-Mitts-okposo instead of Moulson-Larsson-Griffith, that's a HUGE difference
- jcragcrumple

Bingo whether it’s Mittelstadt or O’Reilly it’s better then having Larrsson/Girgensons as your third line Centre.

i would feel bad for mitts.. he will be crossing the blue line before okposo realizes we have the puck
- IndianaSabresFan

Well Scott Wilson is a top line LW

Perhaps. I'd be willing to comment after free agency is over. From where we stand now, I agree.
- TheSabresTaco

My main thing is there is no reason to rush anything THIS season. But make changes

Set ourselves up to be competing from 2019-20 through 2028-29 whatever....

Moving ROR makes the most sense it ever will right now. His value will never be higher, especially as we start to spread out the ice time. He also will be 29 before he sniffs a playoff game as a Sabre.

A big trade could really set us up.

Remember when Ottawa traded Yashin at his high point, for Spezza and Chara? Why can't we be on the good end of a deal like that?

My main thing is there is no reason to rush anything THIS season. But make changes

Set ourselves up to be competing from 2019-20 through 2028-29 whatever....

Moving ROR makes the most sense it ever will right now. His value will never be higher, especially as we start to spread out the ice time. He also will be 29 before he sniffs a playoff game as a Sabre.

A big trade could really set us up.

Remember when Ottawa traded Yashin at his high point, for Spezza and Chara? Why can't we be on the good end of a deal like that?
- sbroads24

Cause I don't want to trade Dahlin for Marc Staal