That's the same thing
- jcragcrumple

No, it's not at all

You were the last place team in the league, haven't been out of the bottom 10 in like 5 years.

Colorado traded Duchene. They were dead last.

You have to make major changes.

Nobody on here is saying you need to trade all 3, but something major has to happen with this core.

Moving Lehner Scandella or Bogo isn't major (it would be a bigger type move but it isn't major)

One of ROR Risto or Reinhart have to go this offseason.

Out of the 3 of them, I would prefer to keep Reinhart the most. Risto second and my favorite to get moved is still ROR.

Wow that's a terrible deal ..

29 and already regressing and we're going to pay him 8m for 6 years

Yeah no thank you
- gerbe75pts

what? where? lol... I didn't even say a number for the extension and you automatically sign him to a TERRRRRRRRRRRIBLE deal.


All i ever hear you say is that you want to trade every f'n player but its not like you actually bring a single valuable trade offer package.

Bring something to the table dude... I'm just trying to have a discussion. It's not like I love the deal.. it was just an idea.

Interesting offer I just saw a fan make for ROR to MTL.

MTL gets:
ROR
Moulson

BUF gets:
Pacs (signed to extension)

No money retained.

That's A LOT of money leaving the books.. Pacs is a 4 time 30+ goal scorer before a down year this year. He is a top line LW caliber player at age 29.
- JVince11

Moving Moulson is not a huge concern.

Moving Bogo instead would make that deal more interesting

Also Pacs is 29 he has maybe 4 good years left before his production dips.

They need to be looking at 23-26 year olds

Bogo, Not Moulson. Plus, how much is Patches paid?

How about ROR, Nylander, Moulson (half retained)

For

Stone, Gaborik
- jcragcrumple

Bogo would be a big deal leaving the door.

I am too on board with trading Nylander. I just haven't seen any of "it" from him yet in either level.

I LOVE Stone but is it enough to take that terrible Gaborik deal for 4 more seasons? 4.875M for Gaborik. Yikes. It's just another Moulson contract IMO.

To answer your question... Pacs is 4.5M for 2 years left on his deal.

Interesting offer I just saw a fan make for ROR to MTL.

MTL gets:
ROR
Moulson

BUF gets:
Pacs (signed to extension)

No money retained.

That's A LOT of money leaving the books.. Pacs is a 4 time 30+ goal scorer before a down year this year. He is a top line LW caliber player at age 29.
- JVince11

Nope. Matty Mo has one year left on his deal and ROR is the superior player at a younger age at more (league wide) sought after position. Patches will be 30 this season also. He'll be making ROR money on his next deal that will be a gross contract by the end.

No, it's not at all

You were the last place team in the league, haven't been out of the bottom 10 in like 5 years.

Colorado traded Duchene. They were dead last.

You have to make major changes.

Nobody on here is saying you need to trade all 3, but something major has to happen with this core.

Moving Lehner Scandella or Bogo isn't major (it would be a bigger type move but it isn't major)

One of ROR Risto or Reinhart have to go this offseason.

Out of the 3 of them, I would prefer to keep Reinhart the most. Risto second and my favorite to get moved is still ROR.
- Stripes77

None of the 3 are core players either. They won't net any decent return

Ek mentions a Risto-Hannafin swap.

That could be interesting both as a stand alone trade and as a starter to something else

what? where? lol... I didn't even say a number for the extension and you automatically sign him to a TERRRRRRRRRRRIBLE deal.


All i ever hear you say is that you want to trade every f'n player but its not like you actually bring a single valuable trade offer package.

Bring something to the table dude... I'm just trying to have a discussion. It's not like I love the deal.. it was just an idea.
- JVince11

If Kane got 7m how much you think Pacioretty is getting a 5 time 30+ goal score

8m or 9 m I'm not joking Kane (frank)ed over many teams

Moving Moulson is not a huge concern.

Moving Bogo instead would make that deal more interesting

Also Pacs is 29 he has maybe 4 good years left before his production dips.

They need to be looking at 23-26 year olds
- Stripes77

Gotta be OODLES of those available.. lol. I'm with you.

This is a reason why I like Hoffman or Stone.


What's the beef with Gaudreau wanting out of Calgary? He has off the ice concerns too I have heard.

I'd deal A LOT to put him as our 1LW though.

No, it's not at all

You were the last place team in the league, haven't been out of the bottom 10 in like 5 years.

Colorado traded Duchene. They were dead last.

You have to make major changes.

Nobody on here is saying you need to trade all 3, but something major has to happen with this core.

Moving Lehner Scandella or Bogo isn't major (it would be a bigger type move but it isn't major)

One of ROR Risto or Reinhart have to go this offseason.

Out of the 3 of them, I would prefer to keep Reinhart the most. Risto second and my favorite to get moved is still ROR.
- Stripes77

Is it possible that trading Kane was just this? Maybe he was a bigger problem team chemistry wise then anyone knew.

Ek mentions a Risto-Hannafin swap.

That could be interesting both as a stand alone trade and as a starter to something else
- Shadman306

You have to add Skinner somehow

No, it's not at all

You were the last place team in the league, haven't been out of the bottom 10 in like 5 years.

Colorado traded Duchene. They were dead last.

You have to make major changes.

Nobody on here is saying you need to trade all 3, but something major has to happen with this core.

Moving Lehner Scandella or Bogo isn't major (it would be a bigger type move but it isn't major)

One of ROR Risto or Reinhart have to go this offseason.

Out of the 3 of them, I would prefer to keep Reinhart the most. Risto second and my favorite to get moved is still ROR.
- Stripes77

I've gone back and forth with sbroads on this all year, but I think it boils down to where you, as a viewer, place the blame, and how much you value the individual players. I like all three to varying degrees, and I don't place the blame on them for the failures of this season.

That's the heart of the disagreement.

I blame the supporting cast, and the players they played with. To me, trading your good players because the bad players sucked hard is the wrong solution. I understand the other side of the coin: you can't blame Nolan as much as ROR when there's a 5 million dollar discrepancy in pay.

My order of who to trade would go:

ROR
Reinhart
Risto - he's almost untouchable to me because of how thin the RHD is

So here's where it gets tricky for me: I think if you start thinking about trading ROR for a D, and Risto for a winger, you're chasing your tail a little bit. I would bring in a couple very nice wingers (side note: I know many consider next year's first, and the SJS pick untouchable, I do not) and give them a better chance to succeed.

Ek mentions a Risto-Hannafin swap.

That could be interesting both as a stand alone trade and as a starter to something else
- Shadman306

Why would we do that?

Risto is a better player than Hanifan in most regards. Risto even put up far better numbers on a worse team.

But of course.... I'll wait for some advanced stat of zone entries with 4 cuts across the ice and shot suppression stats to come out.

Is it possible that trading Kane was just this? Maybe he was a bigger problem team chemistry wise then anyone knew.
- SDSabre

I don't count Kane as being a core player

Gotta be OODLES of those available.. lol. I'm with you.

This is a reason why I like Hoffman or Stone.


What's the beef with Gaudreau wanting out of Calgary? He has off the ice concerns too I have heard.

I'd deal A LOT to put him as our 1LW though.
- JVince11

Johnny hockey would cost our first overall sorry guys

Johnny hockey would cost our first overall sorry guys
- gerbe75pts

Ror, Nylander, Mccabe, Risto

for

Gaudreau and Hamilton

probably no where near a even trade but its nice to hope

Gotta be OODLES of those available.. lol. I'm with you.

This is a reason why I like Hoffman or Stone.


What's the beef with Gaudreau wanting out of Calgary? He has off the ice concerns too I have heard.

I'd deal A LOT to put him as our 1LW though.
- JVince11

You're the second or third poster to mention this.

Where are you guys seeing or hearing this? I haven't been able to find anything about this.

But I'd love to have him with Eichel

Is it possible that trading Kane was just this? Maybe he was a bigger problem team chemistry wise then anyone knew.
- SDSabre

You know for ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL of the criticism that Botts got for "not getting a 1st for Kane" at the deadline.... people called for his head... people said it was TERRIBLE.

Well... he needs more credit for trading him to a place where he knew it was likely he would resign and they'd want to resign him.

We got a 1st for him. It just isn't this year. Maybe double 1sts in 2019 to move from like 15 to top 5 in a trade will push us to a caliber player perfect to get us to the playoffs.

Ror, Nylander, Mccabe, Risto

for

Gaudreau and Hamilton
- Shadman306

That's not enough

If Kane got 7m how much you think Pacioretty is getting a 5 time 30+ goal score

8m or 9 m I'm not joking Kane (frank)ed over many teams
- gerbe75pts

patches won't hit 8m unless it's on a four year deal...he'll be 30...kane will be 27 this summer...

those three year represent a huge difference at that age and i'm pretty sure gm's are in tune with that

That's not enough
- gerbe75pts

add next years first from SJ

I don't count Kane as being a core player
- Stripes77

You might not, but him being gone may have a profound impact on the team we currently have. Adding Dahlin, healthy Okposo, and possible one or two kids... As a German once said. Or maybe it was a clown. We might be good.

You're the second or third poster to mention this.

Where are you guys seeing or hearing this? I haven't been able to find anything about this.

But I'd love to have him with Eichel
- Stripes77

I see it on different boards and cap friendly. Everyone seems to think that Dougie and Johnny are likely to move from Calgary.

Maybe it is a lot like us here on this board... saying that they need core changes and they have to trade one of those players to do it?? IDK.

Johnny hockey would cost our first overall sorry guys
- gerbe75pts

I've gone back and forth with sbroads on this all year, but I think it boils down to where you, as a viewer, place the blame, and how much you value the individual players. I like all three to varying degrees, and I don't place the blame on them for the failures of this season.

That's the heart of the disagreement.

I blame the supporting cast, and the players they played with. To me, trading your good players because the bad players sucked hard is the wrong solution. I understand the other side of the coin: you can't blame Nolan as much as ROR when there's a 5 million dollar discrepancy in pay.

My order of who to trade would go:

ROR
Reinhart
Risto - he's almost untouchable to me because of how thin the RHD is

So here's where it gets tricky for me: I think if you start thinking about trading ROR for a D, and Risto for a winger, you're chasing your tail a little bit. I would bring in a couple very nice wingers (side note: I know many consider next year's first, and the SJS pick untouchable, I do not) and give them a better chance to succeed.
- jcragcrumple

It's not about blaming them individually. It's about realizing that they have failed in the spots given to them, and capitilizing on their value's being high, because of the spots they were put in.

Of all the 3, Ristolainen's value will decrease the most IMO, over the next year or so, as you will see Dahlin eat up his minutes, and eventually his PP points.

In 2 years he will be a 30-35 point 2nd pairing D man, who while still good, won't have the alure of a "consistent 40 point 25 min a night" D man.

ROR will be a 45-55 point 2nd/3rd line center in 2 years, and won't have the alure of a Selke candidate-team Canada top 6 center.

Reinhart's value IMO, will be the same.