Of course, he said that. What would he say "Yes she is a crazy girl, I didn't know about it but I could see that being the case"

Doubt it.
- Maverick1818

You dont say anything pubicaly supporting her if thats the case.
Its not that hard, its pretty black and white now.

Weeks after captain Erik Karlsson had a face-to-face parking lot confrontation with teammate Mike Hoffman over a belief Hoffman’s fiancée, Monika Caryk, was guilty of unthinkable harassment of his wife, the matter wasn’t settled.

http://ottawasun.com/spor...he-karlsson-hoffman-story

http://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ottawa-senators/brennan-senators-will-suffer-greatly-until-truth-comes-out-in-the-karlsson-hoffman-story
- david22

What a mess.

You dont say anything pubicaly supporting her if thats the case.
Its not that hard, its pretty black and white now.
- DDM-Coga

So, if someone says "We have reason to believe your wife is cheating on you, but no proof"

Your response wouldn't be to stay by her until there is some actual proof?

http://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ottawa-senators/brennan-senators-will-suffer-greatly-until-truth-comes-out-in-the-karlsson-hoffman-story
- david22

there is no resolution of this, its way too public now. True or false either side wont be able to be in the same locker room and Sens cant drag this out

So, if someone says "We have reason to believe your wife is cheating on you, but no proof"

Your response wouldn't be to stay by her until there is some actual proof?
- Maverick1818

Flaw in your analogy is there is proof of this harassment, there are messages in her Instagram of the harassment and Karlsson commenting back you have been doing this for months with your burner accounts, etc.

They have proof that they strongly believe...and you dont get a restraining order without some sort of proof or evidence. You cant just go in and ask for one and have it granted.,...doesnt work like that

http://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ottawa-senators/brennan-senators-will-suffer-greatly-until-truth-comes-out-in-the-karlsson-hoffman-story
- david22

This article makes a very good point that I don't think anyone is making on here. What if Hoffman and his gf truly have nothing to do with this and were just blindsided by the accusations. Then it's on Karlsson's wife for accusing her

This article makes a very good point that I don't think anyone is making on here. What if Hoffman and his gf truly have nothing to do with this and were just blindsided by the accusations. Then it's on Karlsson's wife for accusing her
- Maverick1818

Or worse... Karlsson and his wife are probably Illuminati and Hoffman's gf is trying to tell everyone and his being shut down by the media.

- Not_Yan

hook it to my veins

Flaw in your analogy is there is proof of this harassment, there are messages in her Instagram of the harassment and Karlsson commenting back you have been doing this for months with your burner accounts, etc.

They have proof that they strongly believe...and you dont get a restraining order without some sort of proof or evidence. You cant just go in and ask for one and have it granted.,...doesnt work like that
- DDM-Coga

Yes there is proof of harassment, however, no proof that it was actually her at this point.

I dunno guys.

If there are thousands of posts about this, Hoffman knows. I find it hard to believe his wife is able to make this many posts without him knowing. Sure, it's possible, but it's clearly and obsession. I would think an obsession like this would be hard to hide.

For example, she never left a browser open on her computer? Hoffman, if confronted by Karlsson, never checked the computer history? She never even talked about it (this I find hard to believe), with Hoffman?

I'm not saying it's impossible that she did it and he didn't know. It's just very, very hard to believe.

In my opinion, it's likely one of two things:

1. She did it and he knows
2. She didn't do it and Melinda has the wrong person.

Either way, their relationship is probably irreparable now. Just trade him. At the end of the day, this is still a profession and a sport. Karlsson is much more valuable to the team. If he wants Hoffman gone, get rid of him.

Or worse... Karlsson and his wife are probably Illuminati and Hoffman's gf is trying to tell everyone and his being shut down by the media.
- Not_Yan

holy (frank)sauce

This article makes a very good point that I don't think anyone is making on here. What if Hoffman and his gf truly have nothing to do with this and were just blindsided by the accusations. Then it's on Karlsson's wife for accusing her
- Maverick1818

Why are so many people with insider knolwedge coming forward saying it's believable.

Hammond left the team how long ago? So it's being going since then at least, likely only getting worse and worse til they had to go to teh authorities.

I dunno guys.

If there are thousands of posts about this, Hoffman knows. I find it hard to believe his wife is able to make this many posts without him knowing. Sure, it's possible, but it's clearly and obsession. I would think an obsession like this would be hard to hide.

For example, she never left a browser open on her computer? Hoffman, if confronted by Karlsson, never checked the computer history? She never even talked about it (this I find hard to believe), with Hoffman?

I'm not saying it's impossible that she did it and he didn't know. It's just very, very hard to believe.

In my opinion, it's likely one of two things:

1. She did it and he knows
2. She didn't do it and Melinda has the wrong person.

Either way, their relationship is probably irreparable now. Just trade him. At the end of the day, this is still a profession and a sport. Karlsson is much more valuable to the team. If he wants Hoffman gone, get rid of him.
- Charliebox

Best case scenario they trade Hoffman for a Lucic type and then lose Karlsson for nothing next season.

OMG breaking news. Apparently the Karlssons have been operating a child sex ring in the basement of an Ottawa Pizzeria and the Hoffman's were only trying to expose it!

OMG breaking news. Apparently the Karlssons have been operating a child sex ring in the basement of an Ottawa Pizzeria and the Hoffman's were only trying to expose it!
- Cape Breton Bruins

that's not really funny.

Yes there is proof of harassment, however, no proof that it was actually her at this point.
- Maverick1818

you dont get a restraining order against an individual without some sort of evidence of them harassing you...you really arent following along with this point.

We know of the one comment that we can speculate from, you have no idea what the Karlssons have had for messages for months so you cant say there is no proof.

Stop being a white knight about this.

holy (frank)sauce
- Streit2ThePoint

- Not_Yan

Character matters.

The only thing that really works is to put Hoffman on waivers today.

Trade negotiations only antagonize an already impossible situation.

Best case scenario they trade Hoffman for a Lucic type and then lose Karlsson and Duchene for nothing next season.
- Cape Breton Bruins

Fixed

You cannot underestimate the signifigance of Melnyk wasting the front office. There is nobody with the leadership character capable of righting this situation.

Hoffman on waivers this morning.

Melnyk out this afternoon.

that's not really funny.
- mlindsay

granted but on the other hand it was pretty funny

Character matters.

The only thing that really works is to put Hoffman on waivers today.

Trade negotiations only antagonize an already impossible situation.
- spatso

- Not_Yan

Haha awesome