you dont get a restraining order against an individual without some sort of evidence of them harassing you...you really arent following along with this point.

We know of the one comment that we can speculate from, you have no idea what the Karlssons have had for messages for months so you cant say there is no proof.

Stop being a white knight about this.
- DDM-Coga

I'm not being "White knight" about it at all, I'm taking the facts at hand and saying as of right now, we can only speculate.

Clearing Hoffman's gf has a reputation our the wives of the team. That alone would be enough to get a restraining order.

All we know is that she applied for one saying "we have reason to believe it's her". It doesn't saying it was approved or not, it just said she applied.

I understand your want to troll Sens fans as usual, but kind of like the Randy Lee Situation, it's not good, but until everything is said and done, accusing anyone of anything is just going to ruin their career and lives.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

What the hell happened Sweden?

According to reports, this harassment started in November 2017, which is the same month the Sens went to Sweden to play two games, and when the Turris-Duchene trade took place. I'm sure we all recall how things went after that trip.

I'm not being "White knight" about it at all, I'm taking the facts at hand and saying as of right now, we can only speculate.

Clearing Hoffman's gf has a reputation our the wives of the team. That alone would be enough to get a restraining order.

All we know is that she applied for one saying "we have reason to believe it's her". It doesn't saying it was approved or not, it just said she applied.

I understand your want to troll Sens fans as usual, but kind of like the Randy Lee Situation, it's not good, but until everything is said and done, accusing anyone of anything is just going to ruin their career and lives.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
- Maverick1818

Innocent until proven guilty died once social media came about. Everyone is guilty and even if you are proved innocent you are still guilty for even having something associated with you.

I'm not being "White knight" about it at all, I'm taking the facts at hand and saying as of right now, we can only speculate.

Clearing Hoffman's gf has a reputation our the wives of the team. That alone would be enough to get a restraining order.

All we know is that she applied for one saying "we have reason to believe it's her". It doesn't saying it was approved or not, it just said she applied.

I understand your want to troll Sens fans as usual, but kind of like the Randy Lee Situation, it's not good, but until everything is said and done, accusing anyone of anything is just going to ruin their career and lives.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
- Maverick1818

So being reasonable and rationale about the severity of the situation, and not turning a blind eye on it is considered trolling?

You guys are so sensitive, as soon as you dont like hearing the truth about your team or org, everyone is TROLL TROLL TROLL!

Add it all up, the comments from the agent, past player wives, the confrontation in the parking lot bw Karlsson and Hoffman, the fact that they had to get a restraining order about this, the team and the player agency, the NHLPA knowing the allegations for months, and Hoffman doubling down claiming that these are 150% false....right lets just turn a blind eye on it all.

No matter what true, partially true, or false, there is no bouncing back from it for Hoffman being part of the Sens moving forward. The line has been drawn in the sand. Its not an innocent until proven guilty situation anymore. Its too muddy and messy to simply move past it

What the hell happened Sweden?

According to reports, this harassment started in November 2017, which is the same month the Sens went to Sweden to play two games, and when the Turris-Duchene trade took place. I'm sure we all recall how things went after that trip.
- AlfieFever

Pierre Mcguire said the same thing on the Team1200 this morning. That something happened during this trip.

Pierre Mcguire said the same thing on the Team1200 this morning. That something happened during this trip.
- david22

Everybody got laid!!!

I'm not being "White knight" about it at all, I'm taking the facts at hand and saying as of right now, we can only speculate.

Clearing Hoffman's gf has a reputation our the wives of the team. That alone would be enough to get a restraining order.

All we know is that she applied for one saying "we have reason to believe it's her". It doesn't saying it was approved or not, it just said she applied.

I understand your want to troll Sens fans as usual, but kind of like the Randy Lee Situation, it's not good, but until everything is said and done, accusing anyone of anything is just going to ruin their career and lives.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
- Maverick1818

I agree with you in part about the "innocent until proven guilty" concept, but you cannot ignore the body of evidence that is here right now.

Yes, we're all speculating, but you're being willfully ignorant if you refuse to acknowledge there's forest's worth of smoke billowing out from this situation.

I mean, short of a confession, how much evidence would be needed to satisfy you?

The team is said to have known about it. Former players' wives have commented on it (they'd know better than anyone I'd say).

If she is found guilty ,will she be charged with murder?

I agree with you in part about the "innocent until proven guilty" concept, but you cannot ignore the body of evidence that is here right now.

Yes, we're all speculating, but you're being willfully ignorant if you refuse to acknowledge there's forest's worth of smoke billowing out from this situation.

I mean, short of a confession, how much evidence would be needed to satisfy you?

The team is said to have known about it. Former players' wives have commented on it (they'd know better than anyone I'd say).
- david22

And its a tough stance to have thinking Hoffman is innocent in all this, with how much behind the scene stuff of so many people knowing or speculating about this since November. One way or another Hoffman was more likely than not, aware of these claims in some shape or form and clearly did nothing about it if they kept on happening.

He isnt a willing participant but if he stood idly by, thats not a good look either

So.

Everything ok in sens land?

So.

Everything ok in sens land?
- Fakepartofme

sens land = dumpster fire

If she is found guilty ,will she be charged with murder?
- spazzbot

not funny

not funny
- Aetherial

No its not meant to be

I'm not being "White knight" about it at all, I'm taking the facts at hand and saying as of right now, we can only speculate.

Clearing Hoffman's gf has a reputation our the wives of the team. That alone would be enough to get a restraining order.

All we know is that she applied for one saying "we have reason to believe it's her". It doesn't saying it was approved or not, it just said she applied.

I understand your want to troll Sens fans as usual, but kind of like the Randy Lee Situation, it's not good, but until everything is said and done, accusing anyone of anything is just going to ruin their career and lives.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
- Maverick1818

You are talking in terms of penalty in a court of law and "proof". This isn't necessary to have indisputable, prosecution level facts to make a determination that Hoffman may be a problem that needs dealt with. This is a locker room and franchise perception issue. Not sure how that part is escaping you brother.

efore the court issues its order, it needs to be persuaded that the order is justified. As well, Karlsson's lawyers would also want to ensure they had good evidence that Caryk is behind the online postings. If they don't, they risk exposing their client to a claim for defamation. It is possible, then, that the lawyers went ahead and secured what's called a Norwich order, which is a pre-action discovery mechanism that forces or compels a third party like Twitter and Facebook to preserve and provide evidence in its possession to a potential plaintiff. Remember, Twitter and Facebook won't just hand over that information if you ask politely.

https://www.forbes.com/si...nd-his-wife/#56054dd65be4

I'm not being "White knight" about it at all, I'm taking the facts at hand and saying as of right now, we can only speculate.

Clearing Hoffman's gf has a reputation our the wives of the team. That alone would be enough to get a restraining order.

All we know is that she applied for one saying "we have reason to believe it's her". It doesn't saying it was approved or not, it just said she applied.

I understand your want to troll Sens fans as usual, but kind of like the Randy Lee Situation, it's not good, but until everything is said and done, accusing anyone of anything is just going to ruin their career and lives.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
- Maverick1818

Dude, he isn't even trolling... You hopped on a boat defending Hoffman and now you can't get off while it's sinking. Everything he is saying is logical - you don't just walk into a court and get a restraining order because you feel like it and you don't have wives of current and former players saying this is true if it isn't.

Hoffman has been dating this girl since he was in like Grade 10 or something like that, you really think he doesn't know of her character and reputation, let alone what shes capable and doing behind the scenes?

There is great bitterness between Karlsson and Melnyk.

The ugliness of the dressing room was only intensified by Melnyk’s failure to bring stability around the team. Turris was a player of great character, hugely popular with teammates, loved Ottawa. Why did Melnyk push for his being moved.

Bizarre and more bizarre by each minute.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmacramalla/2018/06/13/legal-fallout-from-disturbing-allegations-of-cyberbullying-against-erik-karlsson-and-his-wife/#56054dd65be4
- david22

yikes about that Hoffmans liability and potential of defamation if they are found false.
This is just a wild situation that will end messy no matter what

#65 Karlsson
#68 Hoffman

What numbers missing in between?

#67 like in Ottawa 67s
#66 number of the devil


More Illuminati satanic symbolic proof right there.

Everybody got laid!!!
- AdamFrench

Players and wags orgy?

https://twitter.com/PeteB...tatus/1006689843592777730

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmacramalla/2018/06/13/legal-fallout-from-disturbing-allegations-of-cyberbullying-against-erik-karlsson-and-his-wife/#56054dd65be4
- david22

That’s what I was saying yesterday. No way the Karlssons proceed to this level without proof. They’d be opening themselves to a whole lot of legal action if proven incorrect.

waivers is the only option. Doubt anyone would pick him up anyway

waivers is the only option. Doubt anyone would pick him up anyway
- FLAM3SFAN

Dreger...is that you?

Dreger...is that you?
- DDM-Coga

huh?